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Brit-Am Anthropology and DNA Update (18 February 2014, 18 Adar-1 5774)

Contents:
1. Gavin Anderson: The difference in DNA findings caused disbelief in Israelite Origins
2. Orjan Svensson: Some quotes regarding haplogroups [i.e. DNA groups]
3. One to three men fathered most western Europeans? (November 26, 2013) with important Brit-Am Preliminary Note

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1. Gavin Anderson: The difference in DNA findings caused disbelief in Israelite Origins

Hello
I first like to thank you on your work and your tireless effort in promoting your findings. I Still making my mind up about the theory/truth. I was interested in the subject a couple years back, but the difference in DNA put me off the idea. As I heard the Jewish people were haplogroup I or J, whilst Western Europeans were R1b. When you consider how vast the difference is from J to R, It put me off a bit. I recently took up the research again and can't get off the subject and have been reading for two weeks now and came across some information that might be interesting for you as it was for me. I come across a website from a geneticist who is studying his roots. The website is
https://sites.google.com/a/luther.edu/johnathan-storlie-phd/john-s-mitochondrial-history

and a interesting quote is as follows,         

" The woman who founded the Haplogroup J line is the direct female descendent of female ancestors belonging to Haplogroup JT who in turn are descendents of Haplogroup R. Haplogroup R is Near/Middle Eastern and Caucasus in origin."

Very interesting indeed, thought it might be a lead for you and I'm sure you will be a better resource for the info.

A little background info from me, I believed my people (Irish/Scots-Irish) were hebrew as a child but kept it secret and didn't tell anybody my beliefs. And the effect of your and others research reached to me. As I met my uncle in Belfast he told me we are Jews, and another uncle with German/South African heritage told me he was an israelite. So its in the knowledge of some people.

I read on Hebrewnation that Yair Davidy is of R1b and a descendant to Nial. Does that mean Nial O'Neill of the hostages, as my dads mum is of the Southern O'Neill. I'm intrigued as does this mean I'm part of Judah? And before you return to State of Israel, was your ancestors from Ulster/Ireland?

I pray for your research and I'm sure your a busy man and possibly  don't have time for replying to people with questions.

I don't know if your are aware there is a organization in Britain called British Israel World Federation. And they have a convention in summer and I thinking of going. Details are on there website
http://www.britishisrael.co.uk/

All the best with your research

Yours sincerly
Gavin Anderson

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Reply by Yair Davidiy:
Shalom,
According to YDNA I am apparently descended from Nial O'Neill of the Nine Hostages or from one of his close kin.
Our nearest DNA correspondences seem to be from Cavan in the Irish part of Ulster.
I am Jewish since the Jewish Religion traces Judaism through the mother.

The DNA of Nial O'Neill is strong in Donegal, Ireland (more than 20%).
Before we knew of our own probable ancestry we had passed Donegal through a Bible Code check.
http://www.britam.org/codesarticles/CodesIreland.html#7
It indicates a connection with Israelites exiled by Assyria, and with  Dan, Manasseh, Gad, and Judah.

Ulster is linked with Judah and Joseph and America.
http://www.britam.org/codesarticles/CodesUlster.html
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2. Orjan Svensson: Some quotes regarding haplogroups [i.e. DNA groups]

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25039-Vikings-had-rare-mtDNA-haplogroups:

The Y-chromosome side is more consistent with the present incidence.
Ancient Norse appeared to belong mostly to Y-DNA haplogroups I, R1a and R1b (S21+).
There are nevertheless great disparities between the regions of Scandinavia. Denmark,
along with Friesland, northern Germany and the Netherlands, have the highest incidence of hg R1b.
Over 40% of Swedes belong to hg I1a, and another 10% to I1c. In Norway, the three haplogroups have
about the same share, but with stronger R1b concentration in the South-West and R1a in the North."
 
"Dr Faux also hypothetizes a Central Asian origin of haplogroup R1a, found nowadays in Scandinavia,
Eastern Europe, Central Asia and South Asia. This haplogroup might have been associated with the ancient
Scythians, among others."
 
http://ethnicgenome.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/the-race-of-sephardic-jews/:
 
"Depending on a study, 30%-40% of Sephardim are in haplogroup J (according to Wikipedia, 12% J1 and 29% J2)
and another 30% in haplogroup R1b (most common in Portugal and Spain). About 11.5% are haplogroup I, a northern
European group. And a small amount is the mostly East European and Scandinavian R1a."
 
"We therefore see the Sephardic Y-DNA profile to be very similar to Europeans along the
Mediterranean, as well as to the Ashkenazim. The only major difference with the Ashkenazim
is that rather than having about a third of their Y-DNA in haplogroup R1b (Western Europe),
the Ashkenazim are about evenly split between R1b and R1a (Eastern Europe and Scandinavia)."
 
Swedes (North)
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23%(R1b)/19%(R1a)         26% ~ ~ ~ 8% ~ ~ strong
 
 
Swedes
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14%(R1b)/24%(R1a)       I: 39% ~ ~ ~ N: 14% ~ ~ strong
 
 
Askenazi Jews
 
10%(R1b)/12%(R1a) 4% 21% 37% ~ ~ 5% 13% n/a
Sephardic Jews 30%(R1b)/4%(R1a) 12% 19% 28% 10% ~ ~ 10% n/a
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3. One to three men fathered most western Europeans? (November 26, 2013) with important Brit-Am Preliminary Note
http://dienekes.blogspot.co.il/2013/11/one-to-three-men-fathered-most-western.html
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Brit-Am Preliminary Note:
Our belief (that we have not proven) is that DNA in many ways is a result of almost over-night changes!
One day everyone comes to a new place with certain features but the next generation is already different and within a few years they have all changed.
{Evolutionist can call this Evolution while creationists may attribute it (as we do) to an inbuilt mechanism allowing for adaptation to changed circumstance.
Sound fantastic?
It happens quite frequently in the animal kingdom.
Why should humans be different.
It it effects the phenotype (physical body) why should the DNA not also change?
The article below shows that researchers now agree that DNA changes in the general population of Europe did take place over a relatively short period of time.
The explanations they give (or refrain from giving) however are a little different from our own, at present.

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Extracts from article:

It may sound far-fetched but it's certainly possible. After all, no R1b has been found in Europe before a Bell Beaker site from the 3rd millennium BC and today many Europeans (most in western Europe) belong to this haplogroup. As more Y chromosomes are sampled from ancient Europe, it will become clear if the R1b frequency actually shot from non-existence to ubiquity over a short span of time, and the Y chromosomes after the transition will be practically clones of each other.

Investigative Genetics 2013, 4:25 doi:10.1186/2041-2223-4-25
Modeling the contrasting Neolithic male lineage expansions in Europe and Africa
Michael J Sikora et al.
Abstract (provisional)

Background

Patterns of genetic variation in a population carry information about the prehistory of the population, and for the human Y chromosome an especially informative phylogenetic tree has previously been constructed from fully-sequenced chromosomes. This revealed contrasting bifurcating and starlike phylogenies for the major lineages associated with the Neolithic expansions in sub-Saharan Africa and Western Europe, respectively.

Results

We used coalescent simulations to investigate the range of demographic models most likely to produce the phylogenetic structures observed in Africa and Europe, assessing the starting and ending genetic effective population sizes, duration of the expansion, and time when expansion ended. The best-fitting models in Africa and Europe are very different. In Africa, the expansion took about 12 thousand years, ending very recently; it started from approximately 40 men and numbers expanded approximately 50-fold. In Europe, the expansion was much more rapid, taking only a few generations and occurring as soon as the major R1b lineage entered Europe; it started from just one to three men, whose numbers expanded more than a thousandfold.

Conclusions

Although highly simplified, the demographic model we have used captures key elements of the differences between the male Neolithic expansions in Africa and Europe, and is consistent with archaeological findings.
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http://dienekes.blogspot.co.il/2008/05/ancient-y-chromosome-studies.html
Bronze Age Lichtenstein Cave in Germany [estimated presence I1b2*, R1a1, R1b1c]
Ancient Mongolian [presence of Tat-C in Yakut and Xiongnu]
Ancient Egyin Gol Mongolians and here and here [Y-STR in Table 2 of second study; N3, Q, C]
Ancient Mongolian Xiongnu [1 R1a1]
New Kingdom Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses III [1 E1b1a]
Aboriginals from Canary Islands [E-M78, E-M81, J-M267, E-M33, I-M170, K-M9, P-M45, R-M269]
Late Antique Basques [4 I, 2 R1b3d, 19 R1(xR1a1), 2 R-M173]
Late Antique Imperial Roman from Bavaria [2 R1b, 2 I1, 2 E1b1b, 2 I1/G2a]
Medieval Hungarians [Two Tat-C out of four]
Medieval Germans from Ergolding, Bavaria, Germany [4 R1b (two siblings), 2 G2a]
Medieval Germans (?) from Usedom, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany [E1b1b, R1a1a7]
Medieval Swedes from Stockholm [2 I1, probably related]
Recent Frozen Yakuts [8 N1c, 5 non-N1c]
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