Brit-Am Research Sources (30 August 2015, 15 Elul 5775)
Contents:
1. JaredThaJa: Davidic Dynasty in the West
2. ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE
WHY WE SHOULD GIVE THANKS FOR THE BRITISH EMPIREÂ By H. W. Crocker III
3. Interesting Facts about Rome and Italy:
Caesar descended from Alexander [from the Temeni. from Esau]. Phoenicians with Etruscans. Egyptian Religion in Ancient Italy
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1. JaredThaJa: David Dynasty in the West
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Preliminary References [editor]
Bagratuni dynasty
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Bagratuni or Bagratid (Armenian: ) royal dynasty was a royal family of Armenia that formerly ruled many regional polities of the medieval Kingdom of Armenia, such as Syunik, Lori, Vaspurakan, Vanand, Taron, and Tayk up until the 8th century.[1]
Origin of the Bagratid dynasties
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Extracts:
The Bagratid dynasties - Bagratuni ( ) in Armenia and Bagrationi ( ) in Georgia,count among the longest-reigning royal families in the Caucasus (and in Europe), starting as princely houses and attaining to the royal status in both countries in the 9th century. The origins of the Bagratids are disputed though more widely accepted version has it that the both dynasties had common roots[citation needed], beginning in Armenia and branching later into Georgia.[1][2] The Armenian house went extinct by the 12th century, while the Georgian line, continues to this day as the nominal Royal House of Georgia according to Cyrill Tourmanoff. The root of the names Bagrationi and Bagratuni, Bagrat-, derives from the Old Persian Bagad ta, "God-Given". In Armenia and Georgia, the respective names for the Bagratid dynasties literally translate to "The children of/house established byBagrat" (Bagrat + Classical Greek: - id, "the children").
Rival tales have been developed in Georgia and Armenia regarding the origins of the dynasties. The Bagratids of Armenia are speculated [by whom?] to have been an offshoot of the Orontid Dynasty, Achaemenid satraps and, later, kings of Armenia (c 400 - c 200 BC). They had their original appanage in Bagrevand in historic north-central Armenia and claimed their descent from a solar deity Angl-Thork, the tutelary god of the Orontids, until their conversion to Christianity. Thereafter, this claim was abandoned in favor of the mythical ancestor of the Armenians, Hayk. Later, under biblical influences, they entertained another claim, of Hebrew ancestry, first articulated by Moses of Khorene, and developed by the Georgians into a claim of their descent from the biblical king-prophet David[3] Once the Georgian branch, who had quickly acculturated in the new environment,[4] assumed royal power, the myth of their biblical origin helped to assert their legitimacy and emerged as a main ideological pillar of the millennium-long Bagrationi rule in Georgia from 575 AD to 1810 AD.[5] The claim is given no credence by modern scholarship.[citation needed][according to whom?] The harp on their Coat of Arms is a reference that ancestry.
In 2006, Prof. David H. Kelley... in Foundations, the journal of the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy,....a male-line branch of the Jewish Rosh haGolah, (Hebrew, [Roshim, pl.] 'head[s] of the Exile', Resh Galuta in Aramaic, usually called 'Exilarch' in English. This would be the branch of the exilarchs (of the House of David) descended from the Sassanid Shahs of Persia and, thus, related to the Umayyad Khalifs.[16]
These traditions have also been informed by factual kings of Armenia, (e.g.: Tigran V & VI, q.v.). of Jewish descent, described by, inter alia, Fl. Josephus, who notes that they did not live as Jews, i.e., did not practice the Jewish religion. They may have left Roman descendants, who would have become Byzantine, and, 'though they may have renounced their Jewish heritage, the Chroniclers and peoples did not; nor did these princes, or their ersatzsubjects, forget the royal Armenian heritage that carried with it the possibility of crown and thrown.
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I recall the article on Britam where you discus the possibly of descendants of David winding up among the rulers of Western nations. I'm wondering what you think of the Bagratid claim of David descent, which exists in more then one form?
Possibly Bagratid ancestry for Western Royality possibly happens via the the dynastic marriages of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem. Baldwin II's wife of Morphia who had possibly descended from the Rubenids of Armenian Ciliccia, a Bagratid offshoot. From their Daughter Melisende descends the latter Kings of Jerusalem, and their daughter Alice thought her daughter Constance and her daughter Agnes can be connected to Kings of Hungry and Bohemia and the Hasburgs.
Maria Komenia mother of Isabella of Jerusalem also had Armenian and possibly Rubinid ancestry.
Unrelated to that I read something interesting on a certain Genealogy website.
http://www.geni.com/projects/Descents-from-Antiquity/12283
"Pagano Ebriaci
Pagano Ebriaci (?-c1091), of Pisa, ancestor of the Christian Ebriaci family, might have been a convert from Judaism, a son of Joseph of Fustat. The relationship is conjectural, and seems to have originated in the suggestion that the surname Ebriaci means "the Hebrew". Another theory is that the name Ebriaci might derive from a Latin word meaning drunk.
If Pagano Ebriaci was a son of Joseph of Fustat, then he was a grandson of Hezekiah IV, 38th Exilarch and a descendant of King David.
Pagano Ebriaci was an ancestor of Edmund FitzAlan, 9th Earl of Arundel, through Manfredo III, marchese di Saluzzo.
Edmund FitzAlan is through his son Richard an ancestor of Henry V of England as well as Elizabeth of York Queen-Consort of Henry VII and thus ancestor of James VI of Scotland and I of England and thus all modern British and Netherlands Royalty.
Richard FitzAlan also has more then one connection to the Dukes of Norfolk, making him an ancestor of both the current Norfolk Family and Anne and Mary Boleyn.
I read on Wikipedia once that Mary Boleyn is an Ancestor of both Winston Churchill and Charles Darwin.
http://spectator.org/articles/36541/why-we-should-give-thanks-british-empire
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2. ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE
WHY WE SHOULD GIVE THANKS FOR THE BRITISH EMPIRE
On Thanksgiving Day, let's remember where our ideals of freedom and limited government came from.
By H. W. Crocker III - 11.23.11
http://spectator.org/articles/36541/why-we-should-give-thanks-british-empire
[forwared by Craig White]
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As we Americans celebrate on this day of gluttony, football, and prayer (not necessarily in that order), we might offer up thanks for the institution that gave us our glorious traditions of liberty and prosperity. That institution would be the British Empire, which not only put us here, but gave us Christianity, limited government, and a system of rights founded in British common law. Somehow many of us tend to overlook that -- something to do with 1776, most likely, and the idea that we rebelled against the tyranny of effete, toffee-nosed British snobs.
But really, it wasn't quite like that. As every American schoolboy should know, but probably doesn't, the British colonies of North America were the lightest taxed, most liberally governed (in the classical small government sense), freest, most prosperous, and most equitable portions of the eighteenth century world. The very rights the colonists believed they were fighting to defend were the traditional rights of Englishmen.
Indeed, many of the British generals assigned to put down the rebels agreed with them, and only parted ways with the colonists, and then reluctantly, when rebellious Americans took up arms against representatives of British authority.
Of course, some Britons -- equally devoted to British ideals of freedom and limited government -- scoffed at talk of "oppression" and mocked colonial hypocrisy. Samuel Johnson famously quipped in his essay Taxation No Tyranny, "how is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?"
Rudyard Kipling took a similarly cynical view, "Our American colonies, having no French to fear any longer [after the French and Indian War], wanted to be free from our control altogether. They utterly refused to pay a penny of the two hundred million pounds the war had cost us; and they equally refused to maintain a garrison of British soldiers. When our Parliament proposed in 1764 to make them pay a small fraction of the cost of the late war, they called it 'oppression,' and prepared to rebel."
In this view, the War of American Independence was actually the War of American Ingratitude. King George III saw things as they were: "The rebellious war now levied [in 1775] is manifestly carried on for the purpose of establishing an independent empire."
That was precisely right, though it's a shock to some Americans who blithely assume that "empire" and "America" are like oil and water. The Founders certainly didn't think so. George Washington referred to America as "our rising Empire." Thomas Jefferson wrote of America as an "empire of liberty." Alexander Hamilton in Federalist One called America "an empire, in many respects the most interesting in the world." And John Adams and Benjamin Franklin both envisaged that the United States -- because of its potential wealth, size, and resources -- would become the seat of a greater empire than the British. The Founders were not opposed to "empire." They merely wanted an empire of their own, and were in fact appalled at British attempts to limit the colonists' expansion west across the Appalachians, which the British had designated as Indian territory in the hope of avoiding costly Indian wars.
When the Founders set about framing the Constitution, many of them thought as John Dickinson (one Delaware's delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787) did, "Experience must be our only guide, reason may mislead us." The Americans' actual experience of liberty, rights, and limited government had come, part and parcel, from the British Empire, as had their confidence in practical experience and their rightful suspicion of reform based on reason alone -- which goes a long way to explaining why the American Revolution didn't turn out like the bloody and destructive French one.
The British Empire gave birth not only to the United States, but to Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, with their similar traditions of freedom -- countries with which most Americans feel a sense of kinship. The Empire also created the free trade centers of Hong Kong and Singapore. It was responsible for the abolition of the slave trade on a global scale. It fought, and won, two world wars, with America eventually at its side; and the Empire was, in its declining phase, our most loyal ally in the Cold War.
So today, as we tuck into a great feast, play touch football in the yard, and give thanks for our many blessings, let us give thanks as well to the British Empire that gave us our liberty, language, and laws, and remember that, despite a few in-law unpleasantries (now 200 years old), of all the available families of nations, our Mother Country was the best.
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3. Interesting Facts about Rome and Italy:
Caesar descended from Alexander [from the Temeni. from Esau]. Phoenicians with Etruscans. Egyptian Religion in Ancient Italy
From: Captsolo <havens67@gmail.com>
Extracts:
Alexander was welcomed as a liberator in Egypt and was pronounced the son of Zeus by Egyptian priests of the god Amun at the Oracle of the god at the Siwa Oasis in the Libyan desert. Henceforth, Alexander referred to the god Zeus-Ammon as his true father, and subsequent currency featuring his head with ram horns was proof of this widespread belief"
On the afternoon of June 10-11, 323 B.C., Alexander died in the palace of Nebuchadrezzar II of Babylon. He was just one month short of attaining 33 years of age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great
More than 200 years after the Greek Commander Alexander the Great, the Roman Julius Caesar and his adopted son Octavian were honored by Caesar's loyal Calvary commander Lepidus in 44 BC.
Deified Julius Caesar as Divus Iulius
Caesar claimed decendent/bloodline from Alexander the Great (by way of a Roman dignitary who governed in Syria)
The Etruscans ruled this area [Tuscay] of Italy north of Rome as far back as 800BC. The "birth" of the Roman Empire began soon after, and Tuscany was absorbed by Rome and it's legions. The Romans took tons of copper artifacts and melted them down into copper coins, but much about Etruscan art remains.
Gold plates with Phoenician and Etruscan writing
http://www.ancientscripts.com/
Gold plates above discovered in the 1960s in a sanctuary of ancient Pyrgi not far from Rome.
In Sicily (and mainland Italy and also Syria) - temples to Osirus and Isis - were unearthed in recent centuries.
More recently, near Rome a complex inside Rome itself indicated that the Romans had built elaborate "temple complex" to the Egyptian dieties.
The Roman Catholic Church outlawed the worship of these ancient Egyptian religions about 700 AD.
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