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Ten Tribes Studies (25 September 2015, 12 Tishrei, 5776)

Contents:
1. New Article.
Islands of Israelites.
"Isles of the Sea" (Isaiah 11:11) Identified as the British Isles
2. Geoff Kingman-Sugars:  Remarks on the  Brit-Am Tudor Rose Article
3. New Article.
A Strange Brotherhood

The Reconciliation between Jews and Christians?
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1. New Article.
Islands of Israelites.
"Isles of the Sea" (Isaiah 11:11) Identified as the British Isles

http://hebrewnations.com/articles/biblical-proof/geo/islands.html

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2. Geoff Kingman-Sugars:  Remarks on the  Brit-Am Tudor Rose Article

Geoff <gjksau@yahoo.com.au>

Hi there.

RE
 http://britam.org/Roses.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_rose
http://www.sixwives.info/tudor-rose.htm
 
The original Tudor Rose appeared in three versions:
http://www.britam.org/geoff.jpg

rose

1.  Per Pale Gules and Argent
2.  Quarterly I & IV Gules II & III Argent
3.  A 'double rose' with a White Rose superimposed on a Red Rose (with each of the roses consisting of five petals).  Any other  colouration is not a Tudor Rose.
 
You have to remember that the period of heraldry to which the Tudor Rose owes its birth is based, whether one likes it or not, on a system of primogeniture with the male's arms placed senior to any female arms in 99% of occurrences.  The other one percent would encompass those occasions where the Lady held a peerage title and her husband did not , the peerage title being senior to a non-peerage armiger. 
 
Thus, when parted 'per pale', the male arms (Henry's, as a Lancastrian) are placed on the left hand side of the shield (from the viewer's position) and the female arms (Elizabeth of York's arms) on the right (sinister). 
 
When they were displayed 'Quarterly' the male arms were in the first and fourth quadrants and the female arms were placed in the second and third quadrants. 
 
When they were displayed as a 'double' rose, they were two distinct roses each bearing its own set of barbs (green leaves).  They were arranged heraldically with the House of Lancaster (the red rose) being the main arms with the 'arms in pretence' of the white rose of the House of York as Elizabeth was the only surviving offspring of Edward IV as head of the House of York.  The children of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York were then entitled to display the arms as Quartered rather than as a double rose.  Henry, as the surviving progeny of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York would then display the 'arms' inherited from his parents.  The first Tudor Roses used by Henry VIII's retainers were as per #2 above.
 
I also refer to the sister article to be found at http://britam.org/Rose.html where some of the Tudor Roses displayed are not heraldically correct and you have omitted the per Pale and Quarterly versions.  Unless stated otherwise, a Tudor Rose is depicted as per #3 above and is always tinctured as 'proper' with one of the green barbs of the red rose at the 12 o'clock position and at the 6 o'clock position for the inner white rose. 
 
Respectfully yours,
 
Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Canberra, ACT
Australia
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3. New Article. A Strange Brotherhood
The Reconciliation between Jews and Christians
?
http://hebrewnations.com/articles/religion/notsrim.html
Contents:
1. Introduction. What does Reconciliation Mean?
2. The Three Motives for Reconciliation.
3. Jews CANNOT Become Christians!
4. Gentiles are Not Required to be Strictly Monotheistic.
5. Rabbi Moshe David Valle
6. The Edomite Captivity of the Ten Tribes
7. Edom and Christianity
8. The Christian Messiah
9. Pre-Christian Notsrim
10. VERSES FROM ISAIAH IN THE HEBREW BIBLE THAT SUGGEST THE LOST TEN TRIBES TO BE PRACTISING CHRISTIANS
11. Christianity May be an Instrument of Divine Providence to Bring the Ten Tribes Back!
12. Summary and Suggestions 

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