Ten Tribes Studies (17 March 2016, 7 Adar-B, 5776)
Contents:
1. Answer to Question about an assertion that the name "Iber" derives from a Latin or Greek source.
2. The Promised Blessings to Israel (if we do good)
3. Edom and the Palestinians
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1. Answer to Question about an assertion that the name "Iber" derives from a Latin or Greek source.
Preliminary Note:
David Newton in the letter and query below mentions a Sha'harit Minyan. Sha'harit in Hebrew means "Morning" in this case by extension the Morning Prayer. Minyan means quorum meaning the number required (minimum of 10) to hold a public prayer service. He is describing the equivalent of a Breakfast Prayer Service which he held and at which he apparently spoke concerning the Israelite origin of the Irish People or at least part of them. He apparently used Brit-Am sources along with those of others since some of the points he quotes are not those used by us.
A question arose concerning the meaning of the word-root "Iber". This word is what the so-called Celtic peoples of the west called themselves. It means "Hebrew". It is one ourt of very many proofs that is what they originally were i.e. Hebrews!
The Question:
David Newton wrote:
Dear Yair:
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I used some of your theorems to attract a Thursday morning Minyan in Princeton, NJ (see below in blue). I am glad to say the Minyan was achieved although a distinguished academic took me aside and said, whereas he liked the thought process, the word 'hiberii or Hibernia' is from a Greek or Latin root. Please give me some more ammunition.
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Thanks for your scholarship.
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David
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Please help create Sha'harit Minyan on Thursday March 17th at 7:40 am. Green donuts on offer, also 7th Adar 2.
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Irish history and the ancient Hebrews may have had more in common than you think.
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�            The Celts called themselves the Hiberii (Hibernians) this could a manifestation of the word Hebrew.
�            The Tuatha De Danann, were the Mythical Kings of Ireland. Leading some to speculate that the Irish were related to the lost tribe of Dan.
�            After all isn't Danny Boy is a well-known Irish ballad.
�            Goheen possibly Cohen
�            Kelly possibly keli (a vessel).
�            Harps of different shapes and sizes play a role in both our traditions.
�            The Shannon River or Sha-HaNun. (creative.)
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So in addition to the daily blessings maybe we should also include the Irish Blessing:
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May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
The rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of his hand.
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See you tomorrow at 7:40 am. (mind you I'll probably be in herem [i.e. "ostracised"] for sending out this call to prayer.)
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David
David S. Newton
Palmer Square Management LLC.
40 Nassau Street
Princeton, NJ 08542
 dnewton@palmersquare.com
www.palmersquare.com
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Brit-Am Reply:
First of all we (that is I myself at times and many of the rest of us) tend to be too tolerant towards academic intolerance. They do not always know what they talking about especially when it involves fields that are not their speciality.
There is no such thing as a word being # from a Greek or Latin root #!
It is either one or the other.
If you are challenged on this point again refer the person concerned to the Wikipedia entry on "York" i.e. the city in England from which New York takes its name. That is easy to remember and should be easy for the interlocutor to check up.
If someone has a smart phone it can be done on the spot.
Quote.
York
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York
The word York (from Old Norse Jorvik, from the 9th century AD) derives from the Latinised name for the city, variously rendered as Eboracum, Eburacum or Eburaci. The first mention of York by this name is dated to circa 95-104 AD as an address on a wooden stylus tablet from the Roman fortress of Vindolanda in Northumberland.[4]
The toponymy of Eboracum is uncertain because the language of the pre-Roman indigenous population was never recorded. They are thought to have spoken a Celtic language related to modern Welsh.[5][6][7] It is thought that Eboracum is derived from the Brythonic word Eborakon, a combination of eburos "yew-tree" (cf. Old Irish ibar "yew-tree", Welsh efwr "alder buckthorn", Breton evor "alder buckthorn") and suffix *- ko(n) "place" (cf. Welsh -og)[8]meaning either "place of the yew trees" (cf. efrog in Welsh, eabhrac in Irish Gaelic and eabhraig in Scottish Gaelic, by which names the city is known in those languages); or less probably, Eburos, 'property', which is a personal Celtic name mentioned in different documents as E , Eburus and Eburius, and which, combined with the same suffix *- ko(n), could denote a property.[9][10]
End quote.
There you have it. The name for "York" was Eboracum from the root "Eber" or "ebor" of uncertain meaning but of Celtic origin. One opinion says it derives from a word-root meaning "yew-tree" another from a word denoting "property". No-one knows for sure.
See our article:
Hebrews or Yew Trees?? What Did the Celts Call Themselves?
http://www.britam.org/HebrewCelt.html
We show that the word -root was an Ethnonym i.e. the name of an ethnos, or a specific people. It was the name of the Celts. The name was applied because the so-called Celts gave it to places they were in. It was their name. No-one knows what it means though several possibilities exist which we examine. The most reasonable explanation appears to be that found in the British Isles for the related word "Aber" meaning "a crossing-over" like the Hebrew word "aber" (also pronounced "aver").
We say that the term "Iber" or "iberi" or "hiberi" or "hiberni" comes from the name "Hebrew". It is Hebrew in the Hebrew Language for "Hebrew". It means Hebrew.
For a Biblical Perspective on this name and its usage see:
The Name 'Hebrew'
http://www.britam.org/Proof/Attributes/roleHebrew.html#Hebrew
The fact is that the word "Iber" or "aber" or "Eber" or "aver" are all accepted forms for "Ivri" meaning "Hebrew."Â This cannot denied.
The best that anyone could do to deny it (and still be honest in their approach) would perhaps be to claim that the similarity is a coincidence.
Maybe but the similarity cannot be repudiated.
Two people may have the same name yet be different personages.
It is one thing to say that "John Smith" no.1 is not the same person as "John Smith" no.2.
It is another thing to say that "John Smith" no.1 has a different name from "John Smith" no.2 when it is obvious that such is not how it is.
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2. The Promised Blessings to Israel (if we do good)
Deuteronomy 28: [NAMSV]
I Now it shall be, if you diligently obey the LORD your God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
2 Â All these blessings will come upon you and overtake you if you obey the LORD your God:
3 Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the country.
4 Blessed shall be the offspring of your body and the produce of your ground and the offspring of your beasts, the increase of your herd and the young of your flock.
5 Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
6 Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.
7 The LORD shall cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you; they will come out against you one way and will flee before you seven ways.
8 The LORD will command the blessing upon you in your barns and in all that you put your hand to, and He will bless you in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
9 The LORD will establish you as a holy people to Himself, as He swore to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in His ways.
10 So all the peoples of the earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will be afraid of you.
11 The LORD will make you abound in prosperity, in the offspring of your body and in the offspring of your beast and in the produce of your ground, in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers to give you.
12 Â The LORD will open for you His good storehouse, the heavens, to give rain to your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hand; and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.
13 The LORD will make you the head and not the tail, and you only will be above, and you will not be underneath, if you listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, which I charge you today, to observe them carefully,
14 and do not turn aside from any of the words which I command you today, to the right or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
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3. Edom and the Palestinians
We described (in chapter 4) how Amos chapters 1 and describes the Ten Tribes being taken overseas by the Phoenicians and Philistines acting on behalf of Assyria and with the participation of Edom. descendants of Esau (Edomites) were to be found as independent entities and as components in the forces of Phoenicia (Tyre, etc) and of Assyra. The Edomites also served as supervisors and enablers of the subjugation and forced resettlement of Israelites in Western areas. The Philistines are known to us in archaeological terms as Greek Minoans and Myceneans. One of their centers was Crete and those from Crete were known as Cherethites. In the land of Israel they settled in the area of Gaza and on the southwest coast. This region was known as Philistia or in a Latinised form as "Palastinia." This is where the term "Palestinian" comes from. Even though the so-called present day "Palestinian" people of Arab language and culture may not have much connection to the ancient Philistines they are named after them. Physically there may even be those among them who have Philistine ancestors. It may that in Prophecy the term "Philistine" may also in certain contexts apply to them. What better term could be taken from the existing Biblical lexicon to describe a people who would appear in the future and who would call themselves a name meaning "Philistine"? What is more they now in part dwell in the former Philistine area.
Ezekiel prophesies against Edom (i.e. Central Europe) for having oppressed Judah (i.e. the Jews) and in the same passage includes the Philistines.
Ezekiel 25:
12 Â Thus says the LORD God, Because Edom has acted against the house of Judah by taking vengeance, and has incurred grievous guilt, and avenged themselves upon them, 13 therefore thus says the LORD God, I will also stretch out My hand against Edom and cut off man and beast from it. And I will lay it waste; from Teman even to Dedan they will fall by the sword. 14 I will lay My vengeance on Edom by the hand of My people Israel. Therefore, they will act in Edom according to My anger and according to My wrath; thus they will know My vengeance, declares the LORD God.
15 Thus says the LORD God, Because the Philistines have acted in revenge and have taken vengeance with scorn of soul to destroy with everlasting enmity, 16 therefore thus says the LORD God, Behold, I willstretch out My hand against the Philistines, even cut off the Cherethites [i.e. Philistines from Crete] and destroy the remnant of the seacoast. 17 I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes; and they will know that I am the LORD when I lay My vengeance on them.