Ten Tribes Studies (1 September 2016, 28 Av, 5776)
Contents:
1. Maria Jozef: A Petition is Needed!!!
2. New Month of Elul. Tribe of Gad
3. Norman Willis: "Leave Certain Topics COMPLETELY ALONE!"
4. Steve Phillips: The Expression "Jew" in the Bible
5. The Return in Prophecy: Jeremiah and Ezekiel
6. Michael Greenwood: Selected Chapter Headings from the Book of Ezekiel.
7. Answer to Question on DNA and Common Ancestry
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1. Maria Jozef: A Petition is Needed!!!
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Brit-Am Now no. 2659. Ten Tribes Studies
http://hebrewnations.com/features/now13/2659.html
#1. New Article. The Return is Near! Answers to an Activist
Hello Yair,
Regarding Norman Willis, that he initiated in the past a petition for non-Jews who wished to settle in Israel.
Deut 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add (Jews, Judah, Judaism) thereto, nor diminish (Israel, Christians, Ten tribes) from it.
Exo 12:38
And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
Exo 12:47
All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
Exo 12:48
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Exo 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
Amo 5:25
Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
Amo 5:26
But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Num 15
13 All that are born of the country shall do these things after this manner, in offering an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD; as ye do, so he shall do.
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.
16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
Deu 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Deu 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Jer 4:4
Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Eze 22:26
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths (Christians and ten tribes), and I am profaned among them.
Isa 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8
The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
Eze 22:26
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Hos 2:16
And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
(CEV) Jer 9:25
Someday I will punish the nations of Egypt, Edom, Ammon, and Moab, and the tribes of the desert. (Moslims) The men of these nations are circumcised, but they don't worship me.(They worship Alah/Satan/oath/curse) And it's the same with you people of Judah.(Today so called Jews) Your bodies are circumcised, but your hearts are unchanged
(KJV) and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.
Eze 44
7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.
9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
Me as being born as a NON Jew in this WORLD. NOT IN Gods world have also the right to live in Israel when we keep God HIS Laws, Commandments and Statutes and listen to HIS voice.Â
Eze 11
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Abraham was NOT a born Jew. He became a Jew after he listened to God:
Gen 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Gen 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
I am NOT seeing it the same way as Norman Willis does. But in one thing he IS right.
We do need a petition for (born as) non-Jews who wished to settle in Israel but ONLY when WE DO KEEP God HIS Laws/instructions, Commandments and Statutes and listen to HIS voice.Â
[GOD] 's blessings,
Marita de Gier.
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2. New Month of Elul. Tribe of Gad
September 3 and 4, 2016, are the First Days of the Hebrew Month of Elul.
September 3, 2016, is the 1st of Elul.
The name Elul in Aramaic connotes spying and searching. Elul is a time of repentance and introspection.
Elul has the Tribe of Gad according to mainstream opinion (HaGra and Arizal).
Others attribute it to Simeon (Midrash Peliah) or Zebuolon (Rabad).
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3. Norman Willis: "Leave Certain Topics COMPLETELY ALONE!"
http://www.nazareneisrael.org/
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The Return is Near! Answers to an Activist
http://hebrewnations.com/articles/eph/return.html
Dear Yair,
Thank you for sending me the link, and letting me know that a response was desired. You are a thought-leader in the house of Judah, and I appreciate you letting me know where my name is mentioned.
Ezekiel 37: agree in main.
Ezekiel 47: agree in main.
Jeremiah 3, I see why the sages want the house of Judah to read it that way. I can agree with their reasons for wanting it to read that way. It is not for me to say whether or not you are the living embodiment of that verse, but it kind of looks like it. Actually I am praying about a medal.
I don't want to burden the readers of this forum with our books (Renewed Covenant). Judaism has books and teachers we don't like, and we have books and teachers Judaism does not like. I suggest we focus primarily on Tanach (Older / Foundational Covenant). We both have that book, so we should both be able to talk respectfully with each other about that book, amein? (And if someone wants to ask a question, that is OK, if both parties agree. But in general Judah feels like Christians "push" their stuff on them (when we just want to share). But I will recommend that both parties leave certain topics COMPLETELY ALONE ... because our studies indicate they will AUTO-RESOLVE circa .... Meaning, [God] Himself will resolve the question, so we can just let that part go for now. I understand there will be TREMENDOUS resistance to this in the Christian world. .... But as surprising as it is to hear a Christian say this, I agree with the nascent Sanhedrin's analysis that there are certain issues in prophecy "that should never be discussed together" (paraphrase). I agree these issues will auto-correct, so we can skip the fight, and just learn about the ancient patriarchal ways from Brother Judah. (I could probably say that better, but I am under a massive time gun right now. So that's it.)
Blessings.
Norman B. Willis
Dear Yair,
We agree in the main with this article:
http://britam.org/originnine.html
In the final paragraph, you mentioned the need for two houses to be formed separate from each other first, before they are then unified. That is also how we understand Ezekiel.
Norman B. Willis
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4. Steve Phillips: The Expression "Jew" in the Bible
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 2660
http://hebrewnations.com/features/now13/2660.html
#5. Comments to Clip: Joseph Disguised as Esau!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4WdobDDlB4
James Robertson10 months ago (edited)
Hi Yair
In response to James Robertson's stupid comment about not finding the word Jew in the 1611 version of the King James Bible, not only is it found a number of times in the 1611 version of the Bible, but it also appeared in the 1540 version of the Bible as well. (2 Kings 25:25 - see https://archive.org/stream/GreatBible1540/1540GreatBible#page/n167/mode/1up) Some people just do not want to accept the truth - full stop!
Regards
Steve
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5. The Return in Prophecy: Jeremiah and Ezekiel
Source:
Chapter Nine
http://britam.org/originnine.html
JEREMIAH & EZEKIEL
Extracts:
The Lost Tribes Had Their Membership Suspended
Jeremiah spoke of the northern tribes who were exiled because of their sins (3:6-7 cf. 2-Kings chapters 17 and 18). The exiled tribes had been divorced by God (3:8). Legislatively, their membership in Israel as a collectively obliged body was suspended. Temporarily they were no longer legally obligated by the Mosaic Code (cf. Hosea 1:9, Yebamot 17). This will change in the future.
The Jews of Judah Will Help Bring them back
In the latter Times Jews from Judah shall go unto the Ten Tribes in the 'North Country' and urge them to return to the land of Israel (3:18).
.... (Jeremiah 3;18). -Yalkut Shimeoni, Song of Solomon 905.
The verse (3:18) should be read according to the above as:
THE HOUSE OF JUDAH SHALL GO UNTO [rather than 'WALK WITH'] THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. People from Judah and Benjamin (i.e. legal Jews) shall go unto the Lost Ten Tribes who are beyond the Sambation River. The Sambation River means Israelite Exiles who migrated to the west. The simple meaning is that Jews from Judah will go unto the Lost Tribes to bring them back. God (Jeremiah 3:22) is calling to the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel in the Land of the North to return to HIM. They will no longer worship the Baal (9:14). Jeremiah refers to the reconciliation of Judah and Israel when God will be worshipped by all the families of Israel (31:1,27). ....
The Return of John Bull
The isles should be aware that God will gather in the scattered ones of Israel (31:10). Rachel (the mother of Joseph) will no longer have to weep over the exile of her children for they will return (31:15-16). Ephraim (31:18) is called a 'bullock' or young bull. In Hebrew 'bullock' is 'aegel'. Historically this very same name, 'Aegel', pronounced in the same way, was an alternative form for the ethnic term 'Angle'. The Angles gave England (i.e. 'Angle-land') its name.....
The Dolmens
Jeremiah (31:21) refers to dolmens which are large stones set table fashion over others and often covered by large piles of rocks and stone. The dolmens and other related stone monuments form a connecting link between Israel, Britain, West France, and Scandinavia.
Abarbanel: 'The prophet therefore spoke concerning the Kingdom of Israel [of the Ten Tribes] SET THEE UP WAYMARKS saying that when you go into Exile make signs by the routes and waymarks like piles of rocks [i.e. cairns] or stone monuments [Hebrew: Matzavah, i.e. dolmen] so that you may set your heart to the route and remember in order that you may return in the way you went in, return to your city.'
...' Jeremiah is saying that (for whatever reason) the exiled Israelites will have stone monuments set up. Through these monuments Jeremiah predicts that it will be possible in the future to learn of the Israelite paths of migration away from the Land of Israel. Once this is learned it will serve as a means by which they may be persuaded to return.
The Future
In the future descendants of King David and of the Levites will be exceedingly numerous (33:22). The seed of Jacob will return and the seed of David will rule over them (33:26). The Children of Israel and the Children of Judah in the Last Days will seek the LORD their God (50:4). Israel is the Battle-ax of God (51:20) which HE uses to punish the non-Israelite nations....
Ezekiel
Ezekiel (37:15-28) saw the return of the Ten Tribes as an indispensable requirement for the deliverance of Israel and Judah. The stranger who sojourns with us and identifies with us will have the same rights as us (Ezekiel 47:22). He also has the same responsibilities (14:7-8). God will once again accept Judah and all Israel (16:62). ... Ezekiel (11:18) hints that first the exiles will return to the Land of Israel and after that they shall put away their idols and keep the Law (11:2). Ezekiel says that Judah has an obligation to help the Lost Ten Tribes return. The complete return of Judah is dependent upon the return of 'Samaria' (16:53, 55, 61) meaning the Ten Tribes especially Manasseh. ...
Ezekiel 37 speaks of dead bodies being resurrected. He than goes on to say that God told him to take the stick (in Hebrew 'etz' which can also mean 'wood', or 'tree') and to write upon it, 'For Judah and for the Children of Israel who are joined to him', i.e. 'For the Jews'. He was told to take another stick and write upon it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the House of Israel who are joined unto him' (37:16). He was then told to join them together and they were to be one (37:17). ... We learn from this the two entities 'Judah' and 'Joseph' will remain separate from each other until the end times. Commentators saw the niceties of the Hebrew original in the above passage as indicating that: (a) The re-unification must take place initially through our own initiative. Ezekiel is told to take the sticks and write upon them and join them together in his own hands but then God makes them one in HIS hand (37:19). The Temple will be rebuilt (chapter 43). The land of Great Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates and beyond will be divided up amongst the Twelve Tribes of Israel (chapter 47). ...
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6. Michael Greenwood: Selected Chapter Headings from the Book of Ezekiel.
ch. 8 Idolatry in the Temple.
ch. 9 Idolaters Killed
ch. 10 God departs from the Temple
ch. 11 Judgement on leaders of Israel - Promised Return of Israel (Foretelling of Lost Tribes Returning).
ch. 12 the exile Symbolized.
ch. 13 False prophets Condemned.
ch. 14 Idolaters Condemned.
ch. 15 Jerusalem (America) , a Useless Vine.
ch. 16. An Allegory of Unfaithful Jerusalem (America).
ch. 17 Two Eagles (Ephraim and Manasseh) and a Vine. Australia is raised up.
ch. 18 The soul who sins shall die.
ch. 19 A Laments for the Princes of Israel (i.e. the Leaders of America and Western Europe.
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7. Answer to Question on DNA and Common Ancestry
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Tribes Identified
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddjYCZBGFrg
Oscar Ballard
Thank you for the tremendous Energy and Work you put into Educating a Slowly awakening Mass. I would ask you, if there were 600,000 Males at the giving of the Torah, based on average reproduction, have you attempted to Postulate how many people are carrying or could be carrying a DNA marker, linking them to one or more of the Original Tribes?? Recently discovered my Father was 90% Irish/Scott. My mother on the other hand has a considerable amount of Dutch Jew, as a result of her Fathers family, which was Forced to migrate to the U.S. in the early 1800's. His family assimilated by changing their name and religious practice! My Mothers Mother was English (Holmes) all the way and her family had been in the U.S. since it's beginning. Thank you again Yair, Shalom .
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Brit-Am Reply:
DNA in part is determined by environment. The problem is unraveling when the Environmental factor kicks in and when hereditary takes over. Statistically the experts tells us that everyone must now be related to everyone else. That is apart from common ancestry via Adam the first man, etc. "All humans can trace their family tree back to a surprisingly small group of common ancestors. Every person on Earth's most recent common ancestor might have died less than 2000 years ago."
Source: "Why humans are all much more related than you think" by Alasdair Wilkins
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5791530/why-humans-all-much-more-related-than-you-think
NEVERTHELESS, there is such a thing as families, clans, and peoples who are distinct from others. The Bible says so and so do we in our everyday existence. This too is a reality. It is this real ancestry that the Bible refers to and we relate to. The Lost Ten tribes according to the Bible and other fields are now to be found among western peoples and that is where they give expression to themselves. God bless you, Yair