Ten Tribes Studies (21 April 2017, 25 Nisan, 5777)
 Contents:
1. Answers to Queries Concerning the Prophets and the daughters of King Zedekiah
2. Steven Phillips Draws Attention to a Mistake by Brit-Am. Asher not in Cornwall?
3. Does the English Word "Jew" Actually Derive from a word meaning "Hebrew" (and not Judah?)
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1. Answers to Queries Concerning the Prophets and the daughters of King Zedekiah
 Michael wrote:
Yair is it a fair or true assumption that prophets such as Jeremiah and Isaiah didn't really come into much contact with many people? In simple the people they prophesied to were not many and is it a fair assumption they were barely making it into synagogues? So in simple if you heard the words of one of the prophets in those days it would of typically be second hand? Also how many years did the warnings last for Isaiah and Jeremiah. Also remind me about which texts discussed Jeremiah taking 2 of Davids daughters after Babylon took away the southern kingdom and Jerusalem. Anything here and or any other interesting knowledge you can share on this would be much appreciated. Thx Mike
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Brit-Am Reply:
Mike Shalom,
In answer to your questions:
(1) How Much Contact Did the Prophetical Message Actually Have with the People?
I do not know how much actual contact with the populace the prophets had.
They were however national figures.
People in those time even when they could read did not actually read that much.
They relied more on Oral Transmission.
Their faculties for memorizing realms of text and repeating it exactly were highly developed.
Message would often pass by word of mouth accurately from one place to another.
The same system existed in Ireland until not long ago.
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(2) Jeremiah and Daughters of the House of David
You are probably referring to the claimed transference of Tea Tephi daughter of King Zedekiah of the House of David across the sea to Ireland accompanied by Jeremiah or by Baruch ben Neriah the disciple of Jeremiah.
There are no clear references to this in the Bible.
Strong claims have been made saying that the whole story is a relatively recent British Israelite fabrication.
See:
THE CORONATION STONE - Jeremiah in Ireland. JEREMIAH IN IRELAND -- FACT OR FABRICATION?
http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/jeremiah.htm
As for Scriptural sources:
Jeremiah is described as going down to Egypt with daughters of the king and other inhabitants of Judah.
It is prophesied that disaster would overcome. Most would die by the sword or from famine. A small number would manage to return to Judah.
After that we do not hear anything else about Jeremiah or the daughters.
The following passages describe how Jeremiah and the daughters of the King came to Egypt.
Jeremiah 41:
10 Then Ishmael took captive all the rest of the people who were in Mizpah, the king's daughters and all the people who were left at Mizpah, whom Nebuzaradan, the captain of the guard, had committed to Gedaliah the son of Ahikam. Ishmael the son of Nethaniah took them captive and set out to cross over to the Ammonites. 11 But when Johanan the son of Kareah and all the leaders of the forces with him heard of all the evil that Ishmael the son of Nethaniah had done, 12 they took all their men and went to fight against Ishmael the son of Nethaniah. They came upon him at the great pool that is in Gibeon. 13 And when all the people who were with Ishmael saw Johanan the son of Kareah and all the leaders of the forces with him, they rejoiced. 14 So all the people whom Ishmael had carried away captive from Mizpah turned around and came back, and went to Johanan the son of Kareah. 15 But Ishmael the son of Nethaniah escaped from Johanan with eight men, and went to the Ammonites. 16 Then Johanan the son of Kareah and all the leaders of the forces with him took from Mizpah all the rest of the people whom he had recovered from Ishmael the son of Nethaniah, after he had struck down Gedaliah the son of Ahikam, soldiers, women, children, and eunuchs, whom Johanan brought back from Gibeon. 17 And they went and stayed at Geruth Chimham near Bethlehem, intending to go to Egypt 18 because of the Chaldeans. For they were afraid of them, because Ishmael the son of Nethaniah had struck down Gedaliah the son of Ahikam, whom the king of Babylon had made governor over the land.
Jeremiah 43:
5 But Johanan the son of Kareah and all the commanders of the forces took all the remnant of Judah who had returned to live in the land of Judah from all the nations to which they had been driven. 6 the men, the women, the children, the princesses, and every person whom Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard had left with Gedaliah the son of Ahikam, son of Shaphan; also Jeremiah the prophet and Baruch the son of Neriah. 7 And they came into the land of Egypt, for they did not obey the voice of the Lord. And they arrived at Tahpanhes.
The following passage concerns a prediction against people of Judah who had fled to Egypt.
They were to be massacred with a small number surviving and these would return to Judah.
Jeremiah 44:
 13 I will punish those who dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence, 14 so that none of the remnant of Judah who have come to live in the land of Egypt shall escape or survive or return to the land of Judah, to which they desire to return to dwell there. For they shall not return, except some fugitives.Â
Jeremiah 44:
27 Behold, I am watching over them for disaster and not for good. All the men of Judah who are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine, until there is an end of them. 28 And those who escape the sword shall return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah, few in number; and all the remnant of Judah, who came to the land of Egypt to live, shall know whose word will stand, mine or theirs.
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2. Steven Phillips Draws Attention to a Mistake by Brit-Am. Asher not in Ciornwall?
Steve Phillips: Brit-Am Has been Mislead and is Mistaken!
Subject: RE: Brit-Am Now no. 2735
Shalom Yair
The Tribe of Asher in Britain: "The merchants of Asher worked the tin mines
of Cornwall, not as slaves, but as masters and exporters."
Why are you regurgitating something which was long ago challenged and
contested by Stephen Collins -
see
http://www.britam.org/now/633Now.html?
Have you personally seen this entry in any of Camden's works? I actually
have a copy of Camden's 1586 edition of Britannia (in Latin) and can confirm
that the entry simply does not exist! You are compounding an error by
quoting this bit of misinformation which is circulating round the British
Israel camp. What Camden does say, however, is that Jews were mining in
Cornwall and this is actually confirmed by the following:-
"There were also Jews in different countries throughout the Middle Ages who
were engaged in extracting both heavy and light metals of various kinds. In
England, for instance, Jews had worked in tin mining in Cornwall in 1198."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/metals-mining
There is nothing in Camden's work or (to my knowledge) in any other work to
say that Asher was involved.
Regards,
Steve Phillips
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Brit-Am Reply:
You are correct.
This is the SECOND time we have made this msitake,
re
http://www.britam.org/now/633Now.html
#2. Another possible "Mistake"
In
"Brit-Am Now"-632
http://www.britam.org/now/632Now.html?
#4. Arthur & Rosalind Eedle: "THE TIN ISLANDS"
we published extracts from an interesting and informative article.
Amongst some very valuable pieces of information was included
the following passage:
# William Camden (1551 - 1623), wrote a book called "Britannia" which was published in Latin in 1586 and in English translation in 1610. It was a landmark in the topographical study of Britain. In this work he said,-
"The merchants of Asher worked the tin mines of Cornwall, not as slaves, but as masters and exporters." #
Our friend Steven Collins pointed out that in his research he attempted to find the original source for this quotation and could not do so:
# Shalom Yair,
# I had a chance to actually read an original 1610 English translation of Camden's work in 1999...
# I and a friend scoured Camden's book for the "Asher" quote and we could not find it anywhere. Therefore, I reluctantly dropped that quote from my more recent book series. Perhaps it was in the original Latin version of his book, but that is unknown to me. I thought I'd point this out to you as some caution about this quote is advisable.
 Steve
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On the other hand,
# The main cities of the Phoenicians, Tyre and Sidon, were in territory apportioned to the Israelite Tribe of Asher.
Joshua 19:
24 Now the fifth lot fell to the tribe of the sons of Asher according to their families. 25 Their territory ....as far as Great Sidon (28). 29 The border turned to Ramah and to the fortified city of Tyre.... ended at the sea by the region of Achzib..... 31 This was the inheritance of the tribe of the sons of Asher according to their families, these cities with their villages.
Asher did adopt the ways of the Canaanite Phoenicians.
Judges 1:
31 Asher did not drive out the inhabitants of Acco, or the inhabitants of Sidon, or of Ahlab, or of Achzib, or of Helbah, or of Aphik, or of Rehob.
32 So the Asherites lived among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land; for they did not drive them out.
Traditions from Carthage (a Phoenician colony in North Africa founded by colonists from Tyre) indicate the participation of Asher (Nahum Slouschz, "Les Hebreo-Phenicines," zparis,1909).
# The Phoenicians established colonies in Spain (Tarshish) as proven by archaeological findings.
The links with Tarshish in Spain appear to overlapped with connections to the British Isles.
The Phoenicians were partners to Assyrians in transporting Israelites over the seas as captive workers and involuntary colonists.
# The Phoenicians were involved in mining enterprises in the British Isles especially regarding the tin deposits of Cornwall.
Tin was needed for the production of bronze (an ally of copper and tin) and most tin apparently came from the British Isles. The Phoenicians had a monopoly on the supply of tin which they obtained from Cornwall in Britain, cf.
cf.
Ezekiel 27:
1 The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
2  Now, son of man, take up a lamentation for Tyre, 3 and say to Tyre,  You who are situated at the entrance of the sea, merchant of the peoples on many coastlands, thus says the LORD God...
6 Of oaks from Bashan they made your oars;
The company of Ashurites have inlaid your planks
With ivory from the coasts of Cyprus....
12 Tarshish was your merchant because of your many luxury goods. They gave you silver, iron, tin, and lead for your goods.
After the defeat and exile of the Northern Israelites the supply of tin to the Assyrian Empire increased greatly indicating intensified mining by the Phoenicians in Spain and Britain who were supplying the tin to them.
The Phoenicians from Tyre and the Philistines (Minoans) in conjunction with the Assyrians transported Israelite captives over the seas to develop economic enterprises of importance to the Assyrian Empire.
 The Tribe of Asher may therefore have well been participants either as fellow agents with the Phoenicians or as subjects forced to work for them.
See our books,
Ancestry
http://britam.org/Ancestry.html
Origin
http://britam.org/origin.html
Archaeological finds show that a people associated with the Phoenicians settled in the south and southeast of Spain after ca. 700 BCE. Their cultural was that of the north Syrian coast i.e. of the Territory of The Tribe of Asher.
This corresponded with increased supply of minerals including tin from Britain so here to there must have been settlement.
About 500 BCE the settlements were abandoned, the settlers moved to the north and west of Spain and after that to Ireland and the British isles and probably also to Gaul and Scandinavia.
Proofs for all this include archaeological findings, Roman historians, and Irish legends, and more.
The people concerned were Israelites almost certainly in part from the Tribe of Asher.
it shoukld be noted, the resources of Cornwall had been exploited from ancient times. The Phoenicians were involved in this. Local tradition in Cornwall referred to all Israelites as "Jews".
All remains of ancient mining in Cornwall were attributed to the "Jews."
This could mean Hebrew in general associated with the Phoenicians.
BUT,
Since real Jews (from Judah) had later also been involved with tin mining in the area, and then expelled, it could by that tradition of "Jews" became conflated with other traditions.
For some other of the Brit-Am sources on these matters see:
PhoeniciansÂ
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html
"Brit-Am Now"-197
http://www.britam.org/now/now197.html
1. Theodor Opatowski: Israelites in Cornwall and King Alfred
1. Ancient British Links to the East
"Brit-Am Now"-752
http://www.britam.org/now/752Now.html
7. Ancient British Links to the East
Interesting Site
Racial Reality
http://www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/britons.htmlÂ
"Today, just under 17 per cent of native Europeans that we have sampled are in the clan of [Middle-Eastern] Jasmine (mtDNA J). Unlike the other six clans, the descendants of Jasmine are not found evenly distributed throughout Europe. One distinctive branch follows the Mediterranean coast to Spain and Portugal, whence it has found its way to the west of Britain where it is particularly common in Cornwall, Wales and the west of Scotland."
(Brian Sykes, The Seven Daughters of Eve)Aber and Inver (placename elements)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Aber_and_Inver_(placename_elements)
Place names with aber are very common in Wales. They are also common on the East coast of Scotland. They are found to a lesser extent in Cornwall and other parts of England, and in Brittany.
"Aber" is rendered into Scottish Gaelic as Oba(i)r [2], e.g. "Obar Dheadhain" (Aberdeen), "Obar Pheallaidh" (Aberfeldy), and "Obar Phuill" (Aberfoyle).
It occurs in Brittany and Cornwall, although with far less frequency.
(c) Notes from the script:
Britain identified with Tarshish, London with Tyre!
http://hebrewnations.com/features/bars/bars33.html
Ezekiel 27 describes Phoenician trade with Tarshish meaning Cornwall
British Geographical Society list of minerals in British Isles: tin, lead, zinc, copper, silver, iron, wolfram, uranium, gold.
Yorkshire the center of world lead mining
North Wales silver, gold, copper
Where else could you go one-stop shopping for silver, lead, iron, and tin?
At Falmouth Estuary in Cornwall in 1823 a tin ingot of Phoenician type was dredged up.
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3. Does the English Word "Jew" Actually Derive from a word meaning "Hebrew" (and not Judah?)
In
Brit-Am Now no. 2727. Ten Tribes Studies
http://hebrewnations.com/features/now14/2727.html
#1. Why is Judaism spelled as Judaism and Judases as Jews?
we repeated a short answer we had written for Quora.
This answer of orus received a number of views and an upvote from the person who had first asked it.
Nevertheless for some reason what we wrote has been deleted from Quora.
Whatever the case,
others also gave answers to the question.
One of them made an interesting suggestions,
re
Why is Judaism spelled as Judaism and Judases as Jews?
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Judaism-spelled-as-Judaism-and-Judases-as-Jews-1
by Shimshon Ayzenberg
# As for JEW, the word seems to come from the Hebrew original, IVRI, which is the Biblical name for Abraham�s descendents because they would CROSS OVER (in Hebrew, EVER), the Jordan River to settle the Holy Land. #
This suggestion surprised us but there could be something to it.
We had previously relied on conventional etymologies that derive the word "Jew" from "Judah" e.g.
Jew (n.)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=jew
late 12c., Giw, Jeu, "a Jew (ancient or modern), one of the Jewish race or religion," from Anglo-French iuw, Old French giu (Modern French Juif), from Latin Iudaeum (nominative Iudaeus), from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic (Semitic) jehudhai (Hebrew y'hudi) "a Jew," from Y'hudah "Judah," literally "celebrated," name of Jacob's fourth son and of the tribe descended from him.
Now Shimshon Ayzenberg (as quoted above) says it comes from the Hebrew word "ivri" meaning Hebrew.
Early Christians equated the Jews with Hebrews for instance in Russian a equivalent of the term Hebrew was used more often than other to describe a Jewish person.
How could the English term "Jew" derive from "ivri" i.e. Hebrew?
Answer:
The word "ivri" means "Hebrew" in the Hebrew language.
The end letter "i" is an adjectival suffix and so could have been dropped.
In Latin and medieval England the initial "i" could be replaced by "J" and the middle letter "v" (in "ivri") be soudned as "u". We thus have "jur."
 "Jur" may have been sounded as "jew".
Speculation?
Of course it is BUT it is not less probably than the convention a explanations "i.e. "Jew" from "Judah") which as also based on speculation.Â
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