Yair Davidiy Answers to Questions Concerning the Lost Ten Tribes. Part Two (21 June 2017, 27 Sivan, 5777).
Duration: 20.39 minutes
Queries Posed by Peter Salemi (COGI).
Part Two (Scroll Down) Continued from Part One.
Contents:
Part One:
1a. Introduction.
1b. When did you come into the knowledge of the Brit-Am truth?
2. Has Judaism recognized this doctrine?
3. Why do you think man scholars and historians have rejected this truth?
4. Many talk about genetics that the genes of the Jews and the Anglos etc., don't line up. Stephen Collins who believes in Britam says however 'God does not even consider DNA when reckoning what tribe a person belongs to. The Bible's narratives record that God reckons tribal affiliation via their patrilineal linage through time.' (article DNA of Judah and the Lost Ten Tribes) What do you believe about genetics?
5. What are some of the main points that identify Ephraim as Britain and the USA as Manasseh?
6. I was amazed how you described the current situation with Islam in Britain out of the book of Hosea. Can you briefly explain this prophecy?
Part Two:
7. I come from the 7th day Church of God traditions. Now Herbert W Armstrong claimed that he 'restored' this truth but in actuality this was known for centuries was it not?
8. Some say that the house of Israel was not taken out of Palestine why would they claim this when the Bible is so clear?
9. Can we clearly see in history the migrations of the Israelites from Palestine to Britain and Europe?
10. Are the names of the subtribes of the tribes of Israel the key to tracking their migrations?
11. This then confirms that the Biblical prophecies are true since these prophecies are thousands of years old and have come to pass in our time does it not?
12. Let's go through the Blessings of Joseph - what are the main blessings that he was to receive?
13. Ephraim never had a good relationship with the Jews was this also prophesied?
14. Manasseh in ancient Israel as you have pointed out in your articles never like to be under a monarchy like the United States is this true?
15. Why do some people think that the Jews are not Judah, when clearly they are is it based on anti-Semitism?
16. Finally, what is the future of the 12 tribes of Israel?
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7. I come from the 7th day Church of God traditions. Now Herbert W. Armstrong claimed that he 'restored' this truth but in actuality this was known for centuries was it not?
Answer:
Herbert W. Armstrong did a lot to spread this knowledge and in a sense he did revive it.
Before Herbert W. Armstrong came along the identification of the Lost Ten Tribes with Western Peoples had been well-known and widely publicized.
In Britain one had the British Israelite Movement.
Various traditions of Israelite origin existed in Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland, France, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, and probably in other places as well.
Nevertheless, the belief had fallen into disrepute. Unscrupulous low-lifes had misused it.
Herbert W. Armstrong breathed new life into it.
He wrote well about it and did much to spread knowledge concerning it. He gave out millions of booklets and pamphlets about it and spoke on the radio.
He also had scholars among his followers and on his staff who researched it added to knowledge about it.
Names like Herman Hoeh, Apartian, Meredith, and others come to mind.
Offshoots of his Church continued along the same path and still do. Steven Collins and Craig White and others helped promote this belief.
Peter Salemi also belongs to this group, has done research, and has come up with new findings and insights of value.
They also helped Brit-Am along the way.
We used their writings for informational leads and insights.
They do the same with us.
Nearly all of them quote from our researches quite often.
Herbert W. Armstrong in the eyes of history deserves some credit for all of this.
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8. Some say that the house of Israel was not taken out of Palestine [i.e. the Land of Israel] why would they claim this when the Bible is so clear?
Answer:
There are Biblical passages that have been misinterpreted to mean that members of the Lost Ten Tribes were to be found among Judah at a late date.
There is some truth in this.
Nachmanides (1194-1270) quotes from a Midrash saying that about 20% of the population of Judah was comrised of refugees from the Ten Tribes who had somehow made their way back and re-attached themselves to Judah.
Nevertheless Nachmanides EMPHASIZES THAT THESE ARE ONLY A MINORITY. The majority of the Ten Tribes are still in Exile, they aren ot on the whole aware of their identity, and they will not be re-united with Judah until the End times.
http://www.britam.org/Nachmanides.html
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9. Can we clearly see in history the migrations of the Israelites from Palestine to Britain and Europe?
Answer:
No, not any more. Let me expain,
In the past says 1700s to early 1900s it was academically accepted that Celtic peoples came from the ancient Cimmerians who had been just north of the Caucasus.
It was also agreed upon that at least a portion of the Germanic speaking peoples, say the Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons, were descended from the Scythians who also came from the same area as the Cimmerians.
It did not need much of a conceptual jump to link the Cimmerians and Scythians to the Lost Ten Tribes. The Tribes had been exiled to areas neighboring regions where the Cimmerians and Scythians were believed to have been at first.
Even then only a minority accepted the possibility that Israelites were involed in the described mirgations.
Nowadays this has all changed.
It is no longer believed that the Cimmerians and Scythians came from the east.
It is also no longer believed that the Cimmerians and Scythians gave rise to the Celts and Anglo-Saxons etc.
Making a link that will be accepted between exiled Israelites and other peoples and then tracing those peoples tot he west and having academia accept it all has become much more difficult.
Nevertheless, this is what we are attempting.
We see the Exiled Israelites being exiled in two directions:
(1. To the west over the sea, via Spain to the British Isles etc. This entails the Assyrians using Philistine (Minoan, Gaza) and Phoenician (Tyre) proxies along with Edomite overseers (see Amos ch.1, ch.4).
(2. Overland. The exiles were taken to northern reaches of Assyria (2-Kings 17:6, 18:11, 1-Chronicles 5:26). From these regions they did indeed federate with, or otherwise become identified with, the Cimmerians, Scythians, and Goths.
These peoples migrated westward giving rise to Celtic and Scandinavian civilization as well those of part of the Germanic language group.
We have historical proofs of this.
The proofs are accepted for individual stages. Linking the different stages together is not academically accepted. Neither is it really dismissed. The possibility is often acknowledged but nobody is jumping to conclusions, or even crawling towards them.
You can seem from all this the difficulties and opposition we are up against.
We need support to continue our work and to strive to get our point across.
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10. Are the names of the subtribes of the tribes of Israel the key to tracking their migrations?
Answer:
Yes.
There were 12 tribes. Each Tribes had clans and sub-clans. In Genesis 46 and Numbers 26 we find a list of 70 such entities.
These groups later became important in their own right.
We can trace them by their names and Tribal symbols and by how they marched and migrated in alignment with each other, etc.
Our work "The Tribes" deals with this in some detail.
It is convincing and historically accurate.
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11. This then confirms that the Biblical prophecies are true since these prophecies are thousands of years old and have come to pass in our time does it not?
Answer:
The names of the Tribal Clans re-appearing among their descendants in the west is a type of prophecy or rather a prophetic pattern.
Other prophecies are more explicit and clearly identify the Ten Tribes with western peoples.
http://www.britam.org/Proof/ProofsIntro.html
http://www.britam.org/ListofProofs.html
A. GEOGRAPHY
1. Ends of the Earth: Isaiah 24:16, 26:15, 41:8-9 43:6 49:6
2. Isles Isaiah 24:15 49:6 60:9 Jeremiah 31: 9-10
3. Thighs, Peninsulas, and Coasts: Jeremiah 31:8
4. Tarshish (Atlantic Ocean Area) Isaiah 60:9
5. Western Location: Isaiah 24:14, Hosea 1:10
6. Located to the Northwest of the Land of Israel: Isaiah 49:12
7. In the "North" Land: Jeremiah 3:18 31: 6-10
8. Australia ("Land of Sinim") Isaiah 49:12
See also Brit-Am Computer Codes on Australia and New Zealand
9. Best Places (Atziliyah) Isaiah 41: 9
10. Fires in the Isles referring to Celtic Britain Isaiah 24:15
11: Zarephath, meaning France and Britain, Obadiah 1:20
12. Dolmens showing Pathway of Migration Jeremiah 31:21
13. Many Waters (Several Oceans) Numbers 24:7
B. RECOGNIZABLE SYMBOLS
14. Bald-Headed Eagle (symbol of USA) Micah 1:16
15. Lion and Unicorn (Symbol of Britain) Numbers 24:7-9
C. HISTORICAL BEHAVIOR
16. Cyrus: Messiah son of Joseph Isaiah 44:28
17. Rule Over OTHER Peoples:
Genesis 27:29 48:19 "A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" (Hebrew: "Malo HaGoyim" i.e. Complete the Peoples, Onkelos: = Rule over the nations), Psalms 47:3
18. Being Recognizable as a "Brit-Am" Isaiah 42:6 49:8 Covenant of the People
19. Seafarers Isaiah 42:10
20. Be the Dominant World Power Numbers 24:7-9 Micah 5:7-9
21. Military Might: Deuteronomy 33:27 33:29 Jer. 51:20-21
22. The Battle-Axe of the Almighty or "Police-Man of the Globe"
Jeremiah 51:20 Zechariah 10:7
23. Defeat Edom (Germany and Europe) Ezekiel 25:14 Obadiah 1:18
24. Light for the Gentiles Genesis 12:2-3, 18:18-19, 22:18 Isaiah 42:1 42:6 Amos 5:14-15
25: Alcoholic Drunkards Isaiah 28:1, 3
D. SITUATION
26. Separate from Judah: Isaiah 11:12-13 49:21
27. Not known to Judah: Isaiah 49:13-14, 21. Hosea 1:7
28. Christianity: Note: Christianity is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN TO JEWS!!
It may however have a role to play concerning the Ten Tribes, see Hosea 2:8, 2:13, 2:16 11:12 Jeremiah 31:6.
29. Gomer: Linkage with European nations; Hosea chapter one
E. BLESSINGS
30. Numerous: Genesis 15:5, 22:17, 24:60, 32:12, Numbers 23:10, Isaiah 10:22, 24:16, 26:15 Hos.1:10
31. Agricultural Plenty: Gen 27:28 49:25 Deut 33:13-16 Hoshea 2:8
32. Mineral Resources Genesis 49:25 Deuteronomy 33:13, 15
33. GATE(s) OF YOUR ENEMIES (International Strategic Points) Genesis 22:17 24:60
34, 35, 36. Cush (India), Egypt, Chains in Slaves from Africa to be taken overseas to homeland Isa. 44:28 also Isa 43:3 45:14
37. Ruled by Sons of David Jeremiah 33:22, 26
38. Headed by Kings Genesis 17:6, 16, 35:11
G. ANCESTRAL NAMES IN GENERAL
39. The name Hebrew (The Western "Celts" called themselves "Iberi" meaning "Hebrews"!): Genesis 14:13 39:17 40:15 1:12 43:32 Jonah 1:9
40. Isaac: (Genesis 21:12 48:16). Scythians, Zohak, Ishkuza, Sacasson, Saxon.
41. Jacob: Isaiah 49:6 Tribes of Jacob: Union Jack, Yankee,
42. Israel: "Isru" traditional ancestor of the Irish and Scottish
43. John Bull (nickname for Britain): Deut 33:17 Jeremiah 31:18 "Aegel" (Angle) was a nickname for Ephraim
44-114. Seventy Tribal and Clan Names many of which are still in use.
Each Name deserves to be registered as proof in its own right since it usually occurs several times over in conjunction with other clan names of the Tribe and in similar Line of Camp Marching Alignment as described and illustrated in our work The Tribes.
H. NATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS
115. Nobility Principle associated with Ephraim (UK) Jer. 31:20
116. Representative Democracy associated with Manasseh (USA) Genesis 41:51
117. The name "America" from Machir firstborn of Manasseh. USA the major Capitalist nation and "Machir" denotes Principle of Sale.
118. Zebulon on the shores of the Sea (Gen 49:13) Sabulingoi (People of Zebulon) in Holland who do literally dwell on the sea-shores.
119.Proof from Biblical Brit-Am Computer Codes
120.Ephraimite Criteria
121. Object of Islamic Terror
122. Numerous Other Proofs in Scripture and Related Sources.
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12. Let's go through the Blessings of Joseph - what are the main blessings that he was to receive?
Answer:
Scripture says that Joseph is a group of Israelites (Genesis 49:28). Joseph is divided into two, Ephraim and Manasseh (Genesis 41:50), that nevertheless in many cases are related to as one unity.
Joseph along with the rest of the Lost Ten Tribes will lose full knowledge of his Israelite Identity (Isaiah 24:3, 49:21 Hosea 1:9. Jeremiah 3:6-7) and in many ways for a limited period have the same status as the Gentiles (Yebamot 17) but he will not be the same as the other Gentiles but rather rule over them and influence them for the better.
Joseph will be separate from the rest of Israel (Genesis 49:26). Joseph will become the richest and most powerful entity in the world (Genesis 49:25-26 Micah chapter 5) and through Ephraim rule over the nations (Genesis 48:19). Joseph will receive an increased portion of the blessings (Genesis 49:6). The sons of Joseph were to become an immense multitude (Genesis 48:16).
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13. Ephraim never had a good relationship with the Jews was this also prophesied?
Answer:
I would not say that the relationship was all that bad once different circumstances are considered.
Isaiah 11:
12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations
And assemble the banished ones of Israel,
And will gather the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.
13 Then the jealousy of Ephraim will depart,
And those who harass Judah will be cut off;
Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah,
And Judah will not harass Ephraim.
Isaiah is speaking of the future unfication of Judah and Ephraim.
He says that in the end times they will no longer be antagonistic to each other.
This implies that up until that time differences of opinion and attitude will have existed between the two.
See also Ezekiel 37 and the two sticks symbolizing future re-union.
Note that in both Isaiah 11 and Ezekiel 37 Ephraim is the main Tribe among the Ten Tribes. It appears that Ephraim will lead the coming re-unification with Judah.
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14. Manasseh in ancient Israel as you have pointed out in your articles never like to be under a monarchy like the United States is this true?
Answer:
THE NAME "MANASSEH" IN HEBREW ENCAPSULATES THE MEANING OF NORTH AMERICAN DEMOCRACY!
http://britam.org/manasseh.html
The name Manasseh in Hebrew means "Responsible Representation." This principle is what made the USA what it is.
Manasseh in Rabbinical Sources
http://britam.org/menasseh.html
In addition to the different principles of Aristocracy (pertinent to Ephraim) and the Responsible Representation of Manasseh another aspect of the differences in government involves the style of leadership.
R.M. Shlanger in the book "Shiftei Nachalatecha" ("The Tribes of Your Heritage") discusses the relative merits of rulers (including MBJ) from Manasseh as compared to those from Ephraim.
After the separation of the Northern Tribes of "Israel" from Judah the first kings were from Ephraim, then came rulers from Manasseh. The Kings of Manasseh, according R.M. Shlanger, were more like "Princes" or "Presidents" appointed for clearly defined purposes. On the other hand the kings from Ephraim had the status of Regal Heads of State in the Classical sense.
"MULTITUDE [Hebrew: "Rov" associated with "revavah"] OF PEOPLE" (Proverbs 14:28) like a King. Thus Joshua from the Tribe of Ephraim continues the power of the Kingdom established by Moses over all Israel, as it says:
WHOSOEVER HE BE THAT DOTH REBEL AGAINST THY COMMANDMENT, AND WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO THY WORDS IN ALL THAT THOU COMMANDEST HIM, HE SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH [Joshua 1:18].
# So too the Kingdom of Israel that separated itself from the Kingdom of Judah was first ruled by Jeroboam from the Tribe of Ephraim (1-Kings 11:26 12:25), and all the kings who ruled after him in Samaria belonged to Ephraim. #
# Manasseh however received his name based on the principle of constriction that enables him to cast aside impediments that perturb and to forget them so that there remained only the unadulterated central issue [that needs to be acted upon]. Thus, "GOD, SAID HE, HATH MADE ME FORGET ALL MY TOIL, AND ALL MY FATHER'S HOUSE" (Genesis 41:51). These matters [that needed to be forgotten and set aside] were preventing Joseph from the clarification of his independent essence [of self-realization]. This special quality [represented by Manasseh] is therefore that of a "Prince" associated with a limited community that unites for a common purpose through him, until they be considered as one. #.
[SN 5 ]. Shlanger.
revavah versus elef i.e. uncontrolled rulership of David versus limited circumscribed powers of Presidents.
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15. Why do some people think that the Jews are not Judah, when clearly they are is it based on anti-Semitism?
Answer:
We have proven from Scripture that the Jews are indeed Judah.
There are those who refuse to accept this and indeed anti_Semitic motivations may be involved.
Very often the hatred of Judah indicates descent from Edom or other non-Israelite stock.
Sometimes however it is merely a mistake. Cases are known of peoples being antagonistic towards the Jews and later repenting.
See:
Why The Jews Are Judah!
http://hebrewnations.com/articles/jew/judah.html
We see that Judah means the Jews due to Twelve Points:
1. Possession of Coastal Palestine (Zephaniah ch.2).
2. Judah in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:14).
3. An Old-New Nation (Atlneuland cf. Genesis 49: 8-12)
4. The Jews will have been persecuted (Zechariah 1:15, Zechariah 8:13, Isaiah ch.53, Isaiah 42:10, Psalm 44:22).
5. The Jews will have kept the Law (Psalms 60:9, 108:90; Genesis 49:10; Zechariah 8:23).
6. The Jews will have kept the Fasts (Zechariah 8:19).
7. The Jews will be known as Israel (Isaiah 48:1).
8. The Jews of Judah will Return before the Ten Tribes (Micah 4:8 cf. Hosea 6:10).
9. Judah will always be recognized as Judah [Genesis 49:10] T
10. The Ten Tribes would get Lost, not Judah (Genesis 34:10 cf, Isaiah 24:3, 49:13-14, 21 Hosea 1:8, Jeremiah 3:6-7).
11. In their Places of Exile Judah will have been defenceless, Hosea 1:7, Psalm 44:22.
12. In the End Times Judah will assert himself (Isaiah 63).
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16. Finally, what is the future of the 12 tribes of Israel?
Answer:
Tribulations
Wars
Unification
Rebuilding the Temple
Messiah son of Joseph
Messiah son of David
Not necessarily in that order.
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