Proofs and Observations by Eric (TubalCain)
Contents:
1. Teutons, Danes, Angles
2. Welsh-Danish-Viking- Connections?
3. Danes and Dana and Don from Wales
4. Philistine Dagon and Mermaids?
5. Human Sacrifice?
6. Hamlet
7. Myceneans in Ireland and Denmark
8. Harbour of Daneoi in ancient Egypt
9. Goths in Switzerland
1. Teutons, Danes, Angles
Gorm and Thyra were parents of King Harald Bluetooth, King of Denmark and Norway. Thyra was the "pride of Denmark" (Old Danish: "tanmarka but", Modern Danish "Dannebod"). This title "Dannebod" is similar to "Teutobod", King of the Teutons. Perhaps "Teutobod" means "Pride of the Teutons." "Tan" may be linked to the Tanais River [Don River] and the "Tana Fork" of the Heimskringla. Wiglek who was connected to the Danes and Angli was married to "Nanna". There was a middle eastern diety named "Nanna" or "Inanna."
An old document written in 1689 by Jonas Ramus is "Nori Regnum hoc est Norvrgia Antiqva and Ethnica..." (in Latin, it is on Google books). It gives many of the pedigrees of the ruling classes of the Cimbri, Danes, Swedes, Anglii and Norwegians.It lists Skiold or Skjold as "Cimbriae Domiuus" indicating that the Scyldings may have been Cimbri. The document mentions pedigrees of the Cimbri whose rulers all appear to have Danish names [not Celtic names], but there is controversy over whether the Cimbri were Celts or Scandinavian. Plutarch said they were a mix of Galli and Scythians. The Cimbri were Ingwines or Ingaevones like the Danes and Anglii. The document by Jonas Ramus does not mention the Teutons in the pedigrees which seems odd since this tribe is always closely linked to the Cimbri. Tacitus mentions the Cimbri and Anglii, but he does not mention the Teutons. Possibly the Danes and Anglii were the Teutons or emerged from that group. This would explain their absence in Ramus' document and in the account of Tacitus - unless the Teutons merged with the Cimbri and became Cimbri. Saxo Grammaticus mentions the Teutons as being ancestral to Humble or Humli. Grytha of the Teutons was the mother of Humble. Humble was the ancestor of the Danes and Anglii. Dan was the husband of Grytha. Pliny mentions the Ingaevones as consisting of Cimbri, Teutons and tribes of the Chauci, but he does not mention the Danes [Dani, Daner or Danir] or Anglii . I think Pliny the Elder wrote his Natural History Book IV before he died in the eruption of Mount Vesuvius at Pompeii [79 ce]. Drusilla, sister of Berniece, who is mentioned in the Christian NT died in the same event. Tacitus wrote his Histories and Annals a bit later in the early 2nd century (Germania, which mentions Cimbri and Anglii, but no mention of Teutons was published 98 ce). Therefore, I think it is likely that both the Danes and Anglii are descended from the Teutons and there may have been some garbling of Danish myth that seems to indicate that they were only partially descended from the Teutons via Grytha [according to the account of Saxo]. Plutarch was a contemporary of Tacitus. Ptolemy mentions "Dani" in his Geography (about 150 ce), but no "Anglii". In Ramus 1689 ce the Danes and Angliae are separate from, but related to, the Cimbri or Cimbriae. The Nuithones of Tacitus are sometimes thought to be the Teutones or Teutons,where there may be a corruption of the text. For some information see Viktor Rydberg, Our Father's Godsaga (1887)
2. Welsh-Danish-Viking- Connections?
Shalom Yair, This info may be interesting:"Don of Llechlyn" in Cambrian [Welsh] myth is explicitly identified with King Dan of Denmark in the 1879 document "Loca Patriciana..." by John Francis Shearman. Llechlyn [Welsh] or Lochlainn [Irish] are references to Denmark and Scandinavia in Welsh-Irish myth and history. The Irish name McLaughlin indicates a Scandinavian heritage "Laughlin" is pronounced Lock-Lyn. Don of Llechlyn is connected to the early myths of Briotan Maol,ancestor of the Britains, and Iarbonel. The name McLaughlin means a "son of Lochlann" and was applied to the Vikings of Scandinavia.Late note: "Don of Llechlyn" is a Cambrian [Welsh] myth. Llechlyn is the Irish "Lochlann" and Don in Welsh myth corresponds to the Tuatha de Danaan of Ireland,Scotland and ,apparently, Norway [Danaans founded cities here and had an ally Aengaba] and Denmark[from various sources and indicators].
3. Danes and Dana and Don from Wales
Another interesting indicator of a link between the Danes and English [descendants of the Anglii tribe] is that many of their mythical kings are claimed by both groups! For example, the Anglii will say so-and-so was our king while the Danes will say he was our king. Obviously an indicator of kinship between the two groups... If the Danes descend from the tribe of Dan then which tribe do the Anglii descend from? I mentioned "Don of Llechlyn" below as a Welsh myth. "Don" in the myths of Wales is always connected to the Tuatha de Danaan of Ireland,so this is another link between the Danes and Danaans...
4. Philistine Dagon and Mermaids?
The Philistines had an idol Dagon which derives from Hebrew "Dag" [a fish] with an -on suffix. The idol was supposed to be a merman with the lower body of a fish. The tribe of Dan lived by the Philistines and may have copied the worship of Dagon. In Copenhagen,Denmark there is a famous statue of the little Mermaid,possibly based on earlier folklore[not certain] but written by Hans Christian Andersen. The Danaans in Ireland regarded not Baal but gave converse with the spirits of the deep. Likewise Perseus,son of Danae, battled a sea monster near Joppa in Israel,possibly leviathan or tehom [tiamat]. Could this be related to the Kraken sea monster of Scandinavian myth... The mermaid "Derceto" was supposed to live in a lake near Ascalon, a city of the Philistines. Diod. 2.4.3 and p.81 "The Supreme Gods of the Bosporan Kingdom:..." by Yulia Ustinova. Apparently Rashi originated the Dagon "fish" interpretation,but Wikipedia says some scholarship disagrees with this. Perhaps it is not a coincidence.
5. Human Sacrifice?
Human sacrifice among the Cimbri and the House of Israel? Hosea 13:2 may imply human sacrifice and is sometimes translated as implying this. The Cimbri priestesses would slice the throats of human victims and catch their blood into bowls. This seems reminiscent of Exodus.24:6 where the blood of animal victims was collected into bowls.The play "Iphigenia of Taurus" represents this practice among the Tauri, neighbours of the Cimmerians.
6. Hamlet
There are suggestions on Wikipedia that Amleth [Hamlet,Prince of Denmark] may have an Irish derived name. He had to face the wrath of Wiglek who was an ancestor of the Kings of Mercia in England. Wiglek was a King of Denmark and Angeln [the Angles]
7. Myceneans in Ireland and Denmark
Atlantis by Ignatius Donnelly contains information on the Bronze Age in Europe.The book is in the common domain on the Internet. It quotes Sir John Lubbock as saying 350 bronze swords were found in Denmark and 1283 bronze swords of the same leaf shaped Mycenaean type were found in Ireland. If we imagine 350 Danites with swords and each with a family of 2-3 this gives about 700 to 1050 Danaans in Denmark. The book shows bronze razors from Denmark that have depictions of what are very likely ships used by the tribe of Dan-one of the razors has a triskelion which is Celtic. Also,there is great similarity between the Irish and Danish bronze celts illustrated,as well as between an Irish and Swedish leaf shaped sword among other things. A Danish bronze dagger has a solar cross on its handle. There are also connections to the Swiss bronze age. Sir John Lubbock was president of the International Congress of Prehistoric Archaeology in 1868-it still exists today
8. Harbour of Daneoi in ancient Egypt mentioned in Natural History of Pliny.
9. Goths in Switzerland
There is a tradition that some of the Swiss stem from the Scandinavian Goths, I believe Canton Schuyz or Schwyz.The name is equivalent to Guoten "the good" [old High German Guot=Good]."you furnish a table for Gad " Isaiah 65:11 in the Bible. The old English word for the diety is "God", a word which predates the arrival of Christianity. Was the pagan English diety "God" the ancient pagan deity "Gad" mentioned in the Bible? In old Norse "God" is rendered as "Gothr" where "Gothr" has a typical -r suffix present in old Norse literature and so it is "Goth". From the pagan diety "God" the English word "good",ex. "good versus evil" has its origin. When Christianity arrived HaShem was referred to as "God" after this original pagan diety. However, "God" may be the pagan deity "Gad" mentioned in the Bible. The Swedes are descended from the "Gots",sometimes called "Geats" or "Geatas" or "Gothones",where there is a suffix -ones. The Swedish monarchs claimed to be "Kings of the Swedes, Goths and Vandals". The tribe of Gad may have been named after the diety "Gadde" or "Gad", fortune or luck. See the "Swiss-Swedish Origin legend" on Wikipedia
"the Swedes, who are now called the Switzer [Swiss]"The legend is discussed in Ericus Olai's (c. 1470). Olai notes that the Swiss claimed to be descended from "Swedes or Goths". Olai also notes the similarity in toponymy, . This is reflected in a late-15th-century gloss from Reichenau reading.The Swiss had a highly developed infantry in the Middle Ages with characteristic weapons like the "Swiss Morning Star". William Tell fought against the tyrannical Habsburg Austrian governor Gessler [Remember that the Habsburgs also sent the Armada against England in 1588-the Dutch rebelled and overthrew their Habsburg overlords as well around the same time]. The Frisians [Dutch] were also linked to the Swiss.
Canton Uri was supposed to be made up of "Goths and Huns". The Habsburgs represented the "Holy Roman Empire"-neither holy,nor Roman,nor an empire.
The early English referred to the Gospel as "Godspell" from "Good News".This shows the link between the words God and good.
Likewise, Gad in Hebrew means fortune or [good] luck.