The Need to Excoriate Homosexuality (26 December 2016, 26 Kislev, 5777)
2. The Letter
3. Reply to the Letter in General.
4. The Bible Condemners Homosexuality and Related Perversions
Same-Sex Relations are Forbidden;
The Kings of Judah Justifiably Persecuted Homosexuals;
The Book ofÂ Job Condemns Pederasty
5. Analogy: A Public Danger
6.Â A Universal Offence Forbidden to all Mankind!
7. Are Subconscious Inclinations (or even Semi-Conscious Ones) Relevant?
8. Are there Exceptions?
Â Relevant Sources
Homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible and a danger to society. Homosexuality are constant struggling to gain recognition and toleration for their perversion.
They present the case as live and let live but such is not the case.
Homosexuals endanger all of us and future generations that we hope will continue from us.
A letter was published presenting homosexuality as permitted by the Bible and no real threat to anyone. These claims are false.Â The article below explains why.
The Letter below was posted to the Quora Forum. We prepared this article as as an answer. We do not know whether or not Quora will post it so we are publishing if here.
2. The Letter
What's the point in hating gay people?
Its not like they are going to steal your girl. Its not like they are going to have sex with your girl when you are away. Its not like they are going to try to win your girl over. And if you think that the Bible states gay peopleÂ are bad, youÂ haven't read the Bible at all.
Homosexuals endanger children, women, and animals, as well as other men!
Homosexuals are not a third gender though they sometimes pretend they are. Homosexuals are men who engage in homosexual practices. Many of these practitioners are married or otherwise heterosexual. In other words a presumed homosexual is also liable to endanger your girlfriend or wife as well as your children of whatever sex and age. Even your animal pets may not be immune. Legal barriers are insufficient once the moral restraints have been removed.
The problem however is not so much our girlfriend or whatever. There is a danger to ourselves and to our children or their children or the children of others.
There may be some people who have more homosexual tendencies than others BUT the potential is universal.
Most homosexuals did not want to be that way but were seduced and misled at the beginning.
Homosexuality may be reduced by lessening toleration for it.
Homosexuality means suffering. Homosexuals are less happy, less healthy, and less productive. Homosexuality means increased violence, increased crime, increased mental sickness, more diseases such as AIDS and more rampant promiscuity, and a greater danger to the vulnerable especially children.
It is not necessarily a wise thing to automatically hate anyone.
Nevertheless simple equations indicate that hatred or its equivalent may be needed.
Homosexuality is wrong.
It is forbidden by the Bible.Â
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Homosexuality is harmful.
Public opprobrium, denigration, discrimination, etc, result in less homosexuality.
People, i.e. the majority, who otherwise are heterosexual will resist homosexual advances with more determination if the alternative is known to be shameful.
4. The Bible Condemners Homosexuality and Related Perversions:
Same-Sex Relations are Forbidden
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
17 None of the daughters of Israel shall be used for prostitution [kedayshah]; none of the sons of Israel shall be used for sex [kedesh].Â
The Kings of Judah Justifiably Persecuted Homosexuals
22 Judah did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; they provoked him to jealousy with their sins that they committed, more than all that their ancestors had done. 23 For they also built for themselves high places, pillars, and sacred poles on every high hill and under every green tree; 24 there were also kedoshim [male prostitutes] in the land. They committed all the abominations of the nations that the Lord drove out before the people of Israel.
11 Asa did what was right in the sight of the Lord, as his father David had done. 12 He removed the kedoshim [male prostitutes] out of the land, and removed all the idols that his ancestors had made.Â
45 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, and his power that he showed, and how he waged war, are they not written in the Book of the Annals of the Kings of Judah?Â 46 The remnant of the maleÂ prostitutes [kedoshim] who were still in the land from the days of his father Asa, he exterminated.
7 He broke down the houses of the [kedoshim] male temple prostitutes that were in the house of the Lord, where the women did weaving for Asherah.
The Book ofÂ Job Condemns Pederasty
13 'The godless in heart cherish anger;
Â Â they do not cry for help when he binds them.
14 They die in their youth,
Â Â and their life ends in shame.
The Narrator (Elihu) then continues to explain that God is great, we cannot understand HIM, but nevertheless we should turn to HIM.
The last expression quoted above, "their life ends in shame" (Job 36:14) in Hebrew is:
Literally this means that their life-force (Chayatam) ends in homosexuality in "kadoshim" (see Daat Mikra on Sefer Eiyov by Amos Chacham).
This expression,Â "their life ends in shame",Â refers especially to youth as it says just beforehand, "they die in their youth" (Job 37:14). Homosexuals target youths. The younger they are the more homos prefer them.
Targum Yehonatan explains the expression "VeChayatam ba-Kadoshim" to mean, "their life-force is dissipated in sexual perversion".
The Commentary Mestudat Tsion confirms that the expression "kedoshim" used here refers to those,
#who give themselves over to homosexuality as it says, "none of the sons of Israel shall be used for sex [kedesh]" (Deuteronomy 23:17) #.
The Mestudat David Commentary says, "the life-force of their being shall go out of them like that which happens to kedoshim [male prostitutes],Â meaning a disgraceful death as fitting for them".
The Bible is Against Transvestism.
5Â A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.
The Bible is Against Bestiality.
19 'Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.
5. Analogy: A Public Danger
Homosexuality is analogous to usage of hard drugs.
Too much toleration leads to drug usage spreading. It leads to social acceptance of drug usage and consequent more drug usage than would otherwise be the case.
This harms the users and more usage means more harm being done.
You might have members of your family, or friends, who are drug users. In such a case you will live with them as well as you can.
If however the drug user flaunts their usage, tries to get others (including little children, etc) to use drugs, and advocates it as a way of lifeÂ then you may have to make a stand.
It may be that active and aggressive resistance is the only recourse to defend yourself, your family and everybody else.
It may also be the only way to save the drug user from themselves.
Homosexuality is not the same as drug usage. It is much worse.
Homosexuality is forbidden. It is harmful. It is destructive.
Very few if any homosexuals are actually born that way. Everybody has sexuality and can potentially be aroused against their will.
Most heterosexuals can be made into homosexuals.
Most heterosexuals at some stage in their lives were vulnerable to homosexual advances.Â
Your Children are in Danger!
In modern society it is most likely that both you and your children will have been propositioned on several occasions.
[This may apply more to males than to females. Also female lesbianism may not be the same as homosexuality. More females than males seem to be sympathetic towards homosexuals. One suspects that the females in question do not really understand what is involved.]
Males who are physically and psychologically weak or relatively effeminate are especially vulnerable to homosexual predators in prisons, educational institutes, boarding schools, etc.
Â Homos are often bi-sexuals including married men with children. Some of them have actively heterosexual interests.
Homosexual as a term is misleading. Practitioners of homosexuality is more correct.
Homos have more partners, change partners more often, engage in more contacts. Homos try quite hard to meet new partners. They proposition heterosexuals and their children. They also rape and molest children and adults.
Or they use their influence over heterosexuals to seduce them.
It is not a case of live and let live.
Homos are often intelligent. Homosexuality spreads more where it is most tolerated. Intellectuals etc tolerate Homos more therefore more of them turn out that way. it may be that homos are more artistic and more articulate.
Homos on TV flaunt what they are. They also star in Childrens Shows etc., especially as transvestites which is a related phenomenon.Â They are present in the media to a degree beyond their statistical proportions.
The agenda of homos is promoted through these avenues, so too, in Gay Parades etc.
We need to return to the Pathway of Scripture and to turn away from Perversion.
"Hate evil, love good, And establish justice in the gate! Perhaps the LORD God of hosts May be gracious to the remnant of Joseph" (Amos 5:15).
Homosexuals are not (at least on the whole) born that way.
They rather choose a certain life style or have had it chosen for them but continue with it.
They practise a perversion that endangers everyone. They attempt to spread this practise.
They flaunt it in the streets with parades, dress, and openly give exhibitions of their deviation.
It is a crime like any other but much more serious than most.
Just because they have taken control of the public consciousness in many areas does not mean we should be afraid of them.
Homosexuality is an offence against the Universal Laws of all Humanity ("Noachide Laws"):
Noahides are prohibited from engaging in six illicit sexual relationships: with one's mother, with one's father's wife, with another man's wife, with his sister from the same mother, in a male homosexual union, and with an animal as it says, 'Therefore shall a man leave his father,' this refers to his father's wife; 'and his mother', refers to the mother; 'and cling to his wife', and not another's wife; 'wife', and not a homosexual union;' and become one flesh' (Genesis 2:24), 'excluding animals' (Maimonides, Laws of Kings, 9:5).
Homosexuality is also forbidden by the Torah (Leviticus 18:22). It is punishable by death (Leviticus 20:13).
A Jew under the Law should be prepared to be killed and not to submit to homosexual advances.
In other words the prohibition against homosexuality is both in the Torah andÂ Precedes it.
Homosexuals seem to project themselves as a third gender or even as a new ethnos: In the same way, the logic goes, that you would not persecute Blacks, Jews, or Irishmen because of how they were born so too with homosexuals.
Blacks, Jews, and Irishmen however procreate naturally. Homos do not. Leave homosexuals alone they say just as you would like to be left alone. This however is not an option. They are not going to leave anybody alone. They propagate their orientation through the media and in the street and in every place they can.
It has beenÂ claimed that hormones or brain configuration are responsible for homosexuality.Â We doubt this. The different brain formations found in some homosexuals according to studies may have developed after and not prior to the practice of the deviation.
There may also be a genetic proclivity at marginal levels. All these claims may have something to them in a minority of cases.
[It is worth noting however that the sperm levels of males in the west as well as their testosterone have been diminishing drastically over recent generations.
Environmental influences and food treatments etc have been blamed. The psychological castrating effects of Feminism may also have played a role.]
It does not really matter. Even if some homos have a natural tendency to be that way they do not have to follow it through AND most of them are not that way by nature.
To be honest we sometimes wonder in what world the defenders of homosexuality live. Any male in western nations these days has come across homosexuals, been accosted by them and often also molested by them.
Some homosexuals are very effeminate and physically weak, sick, and mentally distraught. Most are not.
Many are actually bisexual. They have female paramours and may even be married with children.
By finding excuses for them and tolerating them they are enabled to do what they do.
We are all responsible for each other.
For the sake of others the others sometimes need to be rejected.
5 Separate the evil person from before the king
And his throne will be established in righteousness.Â
# [Yair David had previously said]
# "Any male in western nations these days has come across homosexuals, been accosted by them and often also molested by them".
Â In fact the majority of children who suffer child abuse do so at the hands of heterosexual men.
Not wishing to imply anything about anyone, but research shows that those the most out spoken against equal rights for the LGBT community do so to repress their homosexuality.Â #
The above extract contains two claims: (a) The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. (b) Critics of homosexuals are themselves potentially such.
(a) Are the majority of child molesters really heterosexuals?
This is semantics.
In colloquial usage a perpetrator of homosexual actions is a homosexual. This is regardless as to whether or not the offender also has heterosexual relations.
Someone who commits a homosexual act is therefore at that moment a homosexual. How therefore can you claim that they are not?
(b) Do Critics of homosexuals really themselves have homosexual tendencies?
(1) The "Research" is False.
Clifford quoted "research". Very impressive.
He has either misunderstood your source, or the source does not exist, or it is a homosexual concoction.
This would not be the first time that the Forces of Darkness have used what they presented as "research" to mislead the public inÂ their war against Biblical Values.
A prime example is the Kinsley Report. This was a study of Sexuality in the USA in two sections (1948, 1953). It presented the USA as being populated by people who were mostly sexual offenders in secret. Social engineers used it extensively to further the argument that since everybody is doing it why not allow it? The Kinsley Report was considered the last word in scientific authority during the 60s' when people were more gullible than they are now.
A re-examination of the data and the method of inquiry showed the Kinsley Report to have given incorrect results and created a wrong impression.
Nevertheless, the damage had been done.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
# The Kinsey Reports, which together sold three-quarters of a million copies and were translated in thirteen languages, may be considered as part of the most successful and influential scientific books of the 20th century. The Kinsey Reports are associated with a change in public perception of sexuality. In the 1960s, following the introduction of the first oral contraceptive, this change was to be expressed in the sexual revolution. #
(2) If hypothetically Critics of Homosexuality do have the same tendencies, so what?
We doubt that such is the caseÂ BUT if it were so what difference would it make?
It takes all types to make a world.
Actions and intention are what count, not thoughts or inclinations or physiological reactions. This especially applies when the thoughts in question are so deep down that the presumed thinker may not be aware of them.
But if they were so inclined perhaps this is what is needed?
By analogy, policemen are necessary for the functioning of society.
Policemen often come from the same socio-economic grouping (even the same families) as the criminals, and to some degree they have a similar mindset.
"Set a criminal to catch one" is a well-known saying.
A light-weight drug addict in Israel with peripheral connections in the past to the criminal world was being threatened and terrorized by a criminal bigger than him.
He was seriously considering taking severe preemptive action.
This would have brought disaster on himself and on his family, not to mention the villain as well.
The drug addict was convinced however at the last minute, against his instincts and values, to go to the police.
The police proved sympathetic and efficient. They solved the problem.
One of the arguments that induced the person in action to take such a course went along the lines that the Police themselves were like a criminal gang, the biggest in existence. "Why not use more powerful official criminals to counter weaker unofficial ones?"
29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.Â
We need to do what God wants because that is what we are here for. This is also for our own good and for the good of they who come after us.
Clifford Riley said;
A computer is the name for what was otherwise known as a Turing Machine, named after the homosexual Alan Turing. During WW2 he helped develop the world's first electronic computer. This was so codebreakers at Bletchley Park could decipher transmissions from Nazi enigma machines. This was central to the Allies defeating the Nazis, thus preventing 6 million Jews [being] murdered in concentration camps from becoming 7 million. Whilst after WW2 many of those saved Jews went on to found the state of Israel. In effect thanks to the very people [i.e. homosexuals].., Yair and others dehumanize the Nazis would've won WW2. Consequently all the Jews on this planet would've been exterminated and no state of Israel would've come into being. THINK ABOUT THAT ONE!
We do not know the details of the case you quote. For the sake of argument let us assume that it was as you say.
What you refuse to concede is that homosexuality is a matter of choice not of race. It is not like being a Black, Jew, or Irishman.
It is something one chooses to be or not to be. There may or may not be exceptional circumstances but law and moral precepts deal with the majority.
By analogy, certain people may be genetically wired (as has been claimed) to become homicides. Suppose one person slays another?
There may be extenuating circumstances. The murderer may have been born that way or subconsciously programmed from infancy.
What if a murderer kills another but he is a genius and is about to save humankind from a calamity?
What would you do?
Would you condone his crime?
Would you consider allowing all murderers to go Scott free? Just because of one possible exception?
[Concerning the possibility of making an exception,
Â The Talmud (based on the Bible) in fact does deal with such a case, "Even if all Israel is in need of him, like Joab son Zeruiah, he has to stay there..." Mishnah, Macot 2:7, Â i.e. he has to bear his punishment limiting his freedom of movement. This holds even if he is like Joab the leading warrior under King David and head of the army and indispensable.]
We are not saying that there are no exceptions and this is what has to be done in every instance. That is what we have governments for. The point is that exceptions are exceptional and need to be treated as such and not applied to the generality.
Everyone has to accept restraints. Even a heterosexual cannot take a woman against her will. He cannot take the wife of another man if when the woman wants him to. He cannot take a member of his own family. In some cases a heterosexual may end up never having sex at all for years on end, perhaps forever. This is despite the heterosexual having an extremely strong need to have sex with women and being genetically predisposed in that direction.
So too, with homosexuality.
The Bible forbids it.
It is harmful to everyone.
End of story.Â Â Â
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