Queries and Comments concerning Gog and Magog
Continud from Gog and Magog.
1. Meshech and Moschi.
2. Is Magog Scythia?
3. Gog in China?
4. Who Was Put?
1. Meshech and Moschi.
Shalom Yair, You may be interested in the Book of Veles which purports to be a mythical account of the origins of the Russians and Borussians (Prussians). Most scholars contend that it is a fake,but a few scholars seem to believe that it could be true.
Gogarene was an ancient region in Georgia.
John Campbell "The Hittites" Vol. 1. p.57 discusses a bowl sent by Tarako, King of the Moschi to Esarhaddon the King of Assyria. From this bowl's inscription it appears that the language of the Moschi was similar to the language of the Basques. The Moschi may be descended from an Aramean people called "Mash" or "Meshech". The Georgian names end in "-dze" suffix like the Basque names. Sergei Ordzhonokidze, a member of Stalin's "inner circle" was a Georgian like Joseph Stalin,and his name ends in a -dze suffix. Stalin was born in Gori,Georgia. Georgia probably derives its name from Gogarene or "Gog"
2. Magog is Scythia?
Hello k'vod HaRav, thanks for speaking out this topic that still today many consider politically incorrect. As told before, I am descendant of the Anousim and I live in Argentina, here the goverment is planning to join the BRICS and it's amazing how people don't realize that as you said in this podcast, the actors are positioning to war, like pieces in a chess. I don't know information about GOG, but I do know information from Magog because the 1st century historian Flavius Josephus pointed magog clearly in the Peninsula of Crimea, as the Scythians. The slavic peoples are direct descendants of the Scythians and the Scythians intermarried the Amazon women who have an ideology practically resembling L-i-l-i-s, they killed their male babies and only let to live the girls, and also killed their husbands (may be cimmerians?).
What is even more suprising is that the Scythians have a settlement in Judea, the city where they lived is still today in Israel, the name of the city or town is Beit Shean. In the times of jesus, the city was called Sketopolis (Scythopolis) and the founder of xtianity, paul, referred as the Scythians as that they were equal to anybody else, so, he said that amalek was meant to be accepted (even when they tried to wipe out the Israelites leaving Egypt). I researched that the Scythians worked as mercenaries, as bandits, they were the ones who destroyed Nineveh and the Israelites living there fled to Armenia and other parts and even to the very same russia. It's like these amalekim were always the ones performing the dirty job for the empires.
In numbers 24 verse 20 the prophet Bilaam HaRasha talks about amalek as the leader of all the nations of the world that will go to war against Israel, against HaShem, at the end of days. In Pri Tzaddik, Nasso 15:2 it's said "...for Gog uMagog is from the seed of Amalek". I think there is no more doubts that amalek and "the rus" are synonims.
3. Gog in China?
I just think we should be careful of relating a specific nation to Gog, especially when this is historically inaccurate, and especially as right now Noahidism and Torah Judaism is spreading in Asia, and there are many who are coming to the Truth of Judaism and 7 Noahide Laws. And according to your teachings, Kvod HaRav [O Respected Rabbi], the ten lost tribes could be scattered in the regions of Africa and Asia as well. Only Moshiach will know. In any case, we should not discourage those living in gentile nations who are recognizing the Truth of Torah Judaism, from returning to the Torah, and standing with the Jewish nation, by mistakenly associating certain nations with Gog, especially when it is historically inaccurate. Thank you so much for considering my post.
The second source I found is called "Gog cu as Tibetan Buddhist Site of the North-Eastern Amdo Area during the Post-Imperial Period," also from the Digital Himalaya website of University of Cambridge, Gog/Gog cu/Gong Cu in Tibetan records most likely referred to predecessors to the Uighurs. Gog Cu had military presence until 10 AD. Goguryeo was long gone before that, so it is impossible for Goguryeo to have been Gog/Gog cu/Gong cu in the Tibetan records. The resuscitated kingdom of Goryeo was confined to the Korean peninsula. The records show Gog/Gog cu/Gong cu were situated in mainland China, such as Kuzhou or Hezhou. So even the resuscitated kingdom of Goryeo could not have been Gog. Therefore I would like to share with you that "Gog" in Tibetan records could not have indicated Goguryeo.
I was able to find two scholarly articles that prove contrary to the statement. First one is called "A Tibetan Toponym from Afghanistan" from the Digital Himalaya website of University of Cambridge says that "Gog" referred to Wakhan or Wakhi people, who are an Iranian ethnic group native to Central and South Asia, not Goguryeo, which was Northeast Asia, and NOT an Iranian ethnic group.
4. Who Was Put?
Gog and Magog on the Way?
Ezekiel 38 also refers to the nation of 'Put'. What is the identification of 'Put'? ["Put" transalted as "Libya" in th NKJV, based on the Septuagent].
Reply by @tubalcain1039:
I believe "Put" is a reference to the ancient east-African Kingdom of "Punt". It was situated in the area of Somalia and had contacts with ancient Egypt.
In our article "Gog and Magog?" we accepted the identification of put with Libya but suggested that in this case the intention was to Afghanistan part of whose inhabitants may be descedned from Berbers of North Africa.