Brit-Am Tribal Researches (12 November 2012, 27 Cheshvan 5773).
1. Identity of the Suebi with both Joseph and Esau.
Andrea Stefani Waitschulis:Â
".... I haven't given up my dream of tracing back the suebians from Shutelach=(schueltach) to Joseph;) Andrea Stefani Waitschulis"
In "The Tribes" we touch on this matter. Julius Caesar (ca. 58 BCE) speaks of the Suebians who ruled all over Germany and much of Poland and in effect at that time were driving everybody else out of the area altogether.Â This seems to be confirmed by other sources and by archaeological findings. It has implications concerning the identity of those who later came into Germany or passed through it.
Wikipedia Â tells us:
Some Suebi remained a periodic threat against the Romans on the Rhine, until, toward the end of the empire, the Alamanni, including elements of Suebi, brushed aside Roman defenses and occupied Alsace, and from there Bavaria and Switzerland. A pocket remained in Swabia (an area in southwest Germany whose modern name derives from the ancient name), whereas migrants to Gallaecia (modern Galicia, in Spain, and Northern Portugal) established a kingdom there which lasted for 170 years until its integration into the Visigothic Kingdom.
In the classical sources, the ethnonym Suebi is used with two different meanings: the specific tribe of Caesar's campaign, "dwelling on the Main", and "broadly, to cover a large number of tribes in central Germany." The broad view is expressed in Tacitus's Germania, a basic written source for the Suebic peoples that states:
#We must come now to speak of the Suebi, who do not, like the Chatti or Tencteri, constitute a single nation. They actually occupy more than half of Germany, and are divided into a number of distinct tribes under distinct names, though all generally are called Suebi. #
Anyway we get the following:
The name Suebi could be applied to several different nations.
There were also Suebi in Scythia far to the east and these moved westward in two different stages.
One mixture of groups identified as Suebi occupied southwest Germany, part of Switzerland, and Alsace [Rommel came from this area].
There were people identifiable as Suebi amongst the Anglo-Saxon invaders of England and in the Netherlands.
The name Suebi was also given as Suobeni, Suevi, Swaef. This is turn could have been confused with Sheaf of the Anglo-Saxons.
Different versions conflated with other names.
The name Suebi and variations of it may be traced back to permutations of BOTH Joseph and Esau.
Joseph (in Hebrew Yosef) became Sef and Sheaf and Swaef. Esau (in Hebrew pronounced as Ay-sav) would have become sav. Initial vowels at the beginning of names were frequently dropped.
Dear Mr Davidy,
You recently invited me to look at your new website. Which I did.
For the first time I saw a video of yours.Â You seem sincere in
your beliefs. As am I.
I am in agreement with you that Joseph (the English wherever they are & Anglo-Saxon Americans)
Â is the leading of the 10 Tribes of Israel, but--as a Neilson--I disagree on your identification
of Norway as Naphtali.
As a disciple of the deceased descendant of King David of Israel,
the prophetic Bible teacher Herbert W. Armstrong
--and based on my own research-- I am independently persuaded, as he was,
that the modern day descendants of The Tribe of Benjamin are mainly in Norway, Iceland, and in
those parts of the USA where such people settled.
If you haven't read my article on the subject,"The Paradoxical Tribe of Benjamin",
it may provide evidence you haven't thought about.
We regard Naphtali as Sweden.
I think I am either wholly of Benjamin, or a mixture of the three elements of the House of Judah,
Benjamin (in whose territory Jerusalem lies), Judah, and Levi.
And just a reminder that Moses was not a Jew,
He was of the Tribe of Levi.
H.W. Armstrong also had this opinion BUT he was repeating what was already accepted British-Israel understanding at the time.
More than a decade ago I met Bjorn-Olaf Hagensen from Alta in Norway. I have since lost contact. He seemed quote knowledge about Scandinavia in general as well as having a good understand of
IWI (Israelite Western Identity) in general. In the course of our conversation he agree with me that in general Norway is to be identified with Naphtali. He opined however that certain Norwegian Provinces are dominated by Benjamin. Unfortunately I did not take notes and do not know what areas he was referring to.
I am wondering about one thing. Some of the Viking ships had a wolf picture in the front(Norwegian Vikings). The wolf is the sign of Benjamin?? I just wonder if some parts of Norway is the tribe of Benjamin?? The area I am from is suppose to have been area for the most "wild" Vikings(thy were called telene and grenene, this are their Norwegian name). The Viking king Olav(st Olav, the pope in Rome payed money to a army to kill him, after he was dead the made him a saint...)
Is probably born in this area, he is the king who turned Norway into Christians.Â
Is it any possibility that Norway have parts of the country who are Benjamin?
A lot of people seem to think that Benjamin is in Norway.
The only proof I have ever seen involves the symbol of a wolf amongst the Normans.
We also used this evidence and the linkage of the Normans to Dacia in the Balkans.
In fact the brief notes we have on this matter in The Tribes still comprises, in our opinion, the best discussion of the matter available.
We believe the Normans to have been an entity in their own right and not just the chance descendants of Vikings who invaded France.
Other people in the past have raised this matter.
In the Brit-Am Archives you will find several e-mails on the subject.
#3. Ingileif & Didrik: Beowulf and the Tribe of Benjamin
#2. Tribal Identifications: Benjamin in Norway?
#3. Richard Griffin: Beserker warriors and the tribe of Benjamin
#1.Steve Collins: Benjamin, Norway and wolves
and much more.