Lost Ten Tribes Studies (10 March, 2015, 19 Adar, 5775)
Contents:
1. New Article. A Fertile Land
Was Edom Blessed with having Fatness of the Land or cursed by being AWAY from it?
2. Cristian Sildan:Â Remarks About Edom and the End Times
3. E. A. Bradbrooke: The Horites are the Japanese, not the Edomites.
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1. New Article. A Fertile Land
Was Edom Blessed with having Fatness of the Land or cursed by being AWAY from it?
http://hebrewnations.com/articles/bible/esau/blessing2.html
Extracts:
The Pulpit Commentary would have us understood that the rendering 'away from the fatness' is indeed a relatively recent rendition authored by Biblical Critics who cannot be relied upon. It claims that such an alteration in the understood meaning is grammatically admissible but we do not see it that way and find the proposition doubtful if not incredulous.Â
The simple meaning is that it should be read that Esau was blessed with lands 'of the fatness of the earth' and so it was understood by the Sages and Commentators throughout the ages.
When Esau returned and came unto his father Jacob had already received the blessing. Esau asked that he too be blessed and Isaac replied:
[Genesis 27:37] AND ISAAC ANSWERED AND SAID UNTOÂ ESAU, BEHOLD, I HAVE MADE HIM THY LORD, AND ALL HIS BRETHREN HAVE I GIVEN TO HIM FOR SERVANTS; AND WITH CORN AND WINE HAVE I SUSTAINED HIM: AND WHAT SHALL I DO NOW UNTO THEE, MY SON?
The word translated here as 'servants' in Hebrew is Avadim literally meaning 'slaves'. The Commentator Rashi notes from this that Esau and the others had been delivered as slaves to Jacob. Legally all that a slave possesses belongs to his master. Isaac was saying that though he could (as he later did) give a blessing to Esau ultimately that too would accrue to Jacob.
Esau was a Bad Boy, Why Should He have been Blessed?
Esau was destined to do much evil and cause great suffering but that was not all he did. There were other nations such as Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, etc, who were also not paragons of virtue but they became great nations and benefited from it. Why should Edom have been different?
We shall show how Esau and Israel especially Joseph were destined to be involved with each other and to share similar stages of development.Â
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2. Cristian Sildan:Â Remarks About Edom and the End Times
Peace to all.
There's a lively discussion concerning Edom, I see.
Well, Balaam prophesied that Amalek was going to be the biggest population
on Earth and that from this pedestal it is going to be wiped out. To my
knowledge that hasn't happened in past eras.
Since Israel has reappeared, it means History cannot last very many more
years, anymore.
Today the Chinese are about 20% of humanity.
Whether or not they intersect with Amalek, totally or partially, Amalek must
be about the same size, in order to fit the prophecy.
And that's just Amalek, from all the descendants of Edom.
I have a feeling, besides the reasonings above, that Edom is around 40% of
humanity, nowadays. If not more.
I think there's virtually no population upon Earth that DOESN'T have a
sizeable proportion of Edom in it.
Hope this puts things in perspective.
What if this unification [of Ishmael and Edom] is across socio-political, rather than
civilizational, lines?
Meaning that in a given country only a part of the social body goes towards
this and so, the country starts a civil war?
There are French prophecies that tell of a future world war in which France
is more like fallen into anarchy rather than under occupation.
Some prophets/visionaries say that in parallel with Russian and Arab
invasions occurring in some regions - remarkably not in an organized manner
nor upon all the territory - there will be strong civil fights between rich
and poor, muslim-communist-anarchist allies versus traditional patriots,
West France against East-Centre etc.
And that afterwards a great Bourbon king will come that will bring back
order and have troubled dealings with the Middle East.
I thought that is interesting. And it echoes some things you said of France.
But for now, what if most of Edom means Central Eurasia, as the Armenian
link you gave says by the way?
Cristian
And again me.;)
Does Maimonides speak mostly of Teman here? Teman associates with Anatolia [Turkey],
doesn't he?
Maybe the rabbis had in mind the global territory once held by Rome, meaning
Anatolia, ME and North Africa.
Maybe Edom had a strong presence on the whole but more so in places like
Anatolia.
In which case a good deal of this unification has already taken place.
Cristian
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3. E.A. Bradbrooke: The Horites are the Japanese, not the Edomites.
 Re: Brit-Am Now no. 2423. Lost Ten Tribes Studies
Correction. The Horites are the Japanese, not the Edomites.
The Edomites drove out the Horites from eastern China and Korea.
Again, read Genesis Chapter 36. The Horites, the Sons of Seir, are the Japanese.
The Sea of Chinnereth, per Joshua 13:27, ties in.
Being eastward BEYOND the river Jordan, this is the East China Sea.
Ain is the Land of the Ainu Peoples of Japan, where the Horites (Japanese) were driven to from their original habitations in eastern China and Korea.
The JPS Tanakh, 1917 Masoretic texts in Genesis 36 state that the Land of Edom ( formerly Seir ) is a mountainous Land, which tells me it was Korea. Korea is quite mountainous. I know this from having traveled from Seoul to Pusan by Car.
Manchuria is mostly flat, because I have traveled on the high speed train from Changchun, Jilin province to Beijing.
Best Regards,
E.A. Bradbrooke.