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Ten Tribes Studies (9 December, 2013, 6 Tevet, 5774)

Contents:
1. No Proof that Nial was an Egyptian.
2. Interesting URL Preparing for Return of the Tribes.
3. Photo of Tribal Symbols Taken by Yair.
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1. No Proof that Nial was an Egyptian.
Our policy is to publish whatever our readers send in as long as it may have some interest-value to the rest of our readers.
Even if we think the writer is mistaken we may still publish the email if it has some potential value or something to learn from.
Sometimes the results cause misconceptions.

Recently Clifford Riley sent us a message,
Brit-Am Now no. 2171 Ten Tribes Studies.
http://hebrewnations.com/features/5/2171.html
#4. Clifford Riley: The O'Neils Came From Egypt!

In this message Clifford expressed his belief that Nial (or his predecessor) was of Egyptian stock but had married an Israelite.
Clifford seems to have confused information from different sources with legends about Nial.
We deal with this at more length in BAMAD-118.
#1. Descendants of Nial in Ireland and Scotland. A clarification
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http://hebrewnations.com/features/bamad/bamad118.html#a1
Male Descendants of Nial are characterized by DNA R-M222.
R-M222 is the specific DNA of a group in Ireland and Scotland that often also have genealogical traditions tracing them back to Nial. The experts have concluded that the genealogical records must be basically correct, and that Nial was a real person who really did father several millions descendants whose forefathers ruled over Ireland for centuries. The estimates as to when Nial (or his forefather who first had the peculiar DNA mutation) lived vary from ca. 10 CE to ca. 500 CE or even later. That one person could give rise to so many male descendants seems a little hard to accept (even miraculous) but that is what DNA as we understand it today suggests.
R-M222 is a sub-group of a sub-group of a sub-group etc of the main group of R1b.
R-M222 is almost unique to Ireland and Scotland with a minority scattering in other parts of Western Europe that may be traced to the Irish Diaspora.
There is no known connection with Egypt or anywhere else.
R-M222 is however a sub-group of R-P312-4 (R-L21) which is most common in England and Ireland (25-50% of the whole male population).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)
This would suggest that the primary stock from which Nial emerged originally came from Britain though O'Rahilly (a much esteemed historian) traces them to southern Gaul.

Yair Davidiy, like Daniel Duffield and others, is also characterized by R-M222.

Clifford MAY HAVE received the wrong impression from reports concerning another related group known as the Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH).
A variation of AMH is also found in Black Africa, Egypt, and the Middle East and may originate from there. The possibility of eastern origins for the AMH may be relatively easy to prove. It may also tie in with other Irish legends.
Despite his mistake, Clifford may have provided us with an important break-through!
See also:
BAMAD-118.
#1. Descendants of Nial in Ireland and Scotland. A clarification.
http://hebrewnations.com/features/bamad/bamad118.html#a1

In addition R1b (in general) is found at a high rate in Chad and other areas of Black Africa, and at a minority rate (less than 10%) in Egypt. Some of the Egyptian Pharaohs may have had it.
It is also found as a minority (less than 10%) amongst the Australian aborigines in forms indicating that it is NOT a result of miscegenation with whites.

Perhaps Clifford will read what we have written on the subject and come up with something new?
This is the way matters sometimes go: An error in one direction may lead to the truth along another, though related, path.

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2. Interesting URL Preparing for Return of the Tribes.

Note: Brit-Am/Hebrew Nations in principle is against "Ephraimites" etc clamoring to return to Israel at present.
We feel strongly that the PRIORITY should be affirming Israelite Descent in the PHYSICAL SENSE! Following that there should be a spreading of the message.
This should be accompanied by an intensification of Biblical Consciousness at the individual level, in the family, and on the surroundings.
The Three Rs of Brit-Am/Hebrew Nations are:
Research
Revelation (Recognition)
Reconciliation

Nevertheless, experience shows that no matter what we say there are some who will feel an overwhelming urge to come to Israel as soon as possible.
In such a case, they may find the following URLs of interest:
These sites are run by Brit-Am subscriber Jamie Johnson BUT they ARE NOT connected to us.
We may have glanced at them but are not necessarily familiar with (nor responsible for) anything on them.

losttribesreturn.org
or
LTIRP.org

Both go to the same site.
Here's the "policy statement":

losttribesreturn.org/policy-statement/
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3. Photo of Tribal Symbols Taken by Yair.
Tribal Symbols of the Israelite Tribes
Curtain Covering of the Torah Scrolls Cabinet at the Yeshuron Synagogue, Jerusalem Israel,
http://www.britam.org/symbols.html

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