Ten Tribes Studies (21 November, 2012. 7 Kislev, 5773)
Contents:
1. Alistair Williams: The Land and the Law
2. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Judah is the head and Joseph is the body?
3. Reactions to YouTube Clips
4. Another Question about the Welsh.
5. Reflections on the Need for Proof.
6. New Article Heading. Secular Sources
Proofs from History, Archaeology, Linguistics, Mythology, etc, Linking Western Nations with the Ancient Middle East
7. New Entries. Ancient Britain 1
LINKS BETWEEN THE BRITISH CELTS AND THE EAST. BRITAIN AND THEÂ Â CIMMERIANS.
8. Books Still Available.
9. Annual Registration and Offerings Requested.
1. Alistair Williams: The Land and the Law
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1960: Ten Tribes Studies.
Shalom Yair.
Have done as suggested [i.e. read Brit-Am Commentary to Ezekiel chapter 11Â ]
and cannot disagree with Brit-Am view.
I copied the relevant portion into a word processor and reviewed the verses and comment and found myself agreeing with the comments.
Where there is difference there is explanation.
Geographically you are situated in Judah, I am not. Therefore I read Ezekiel 11 whilst looking in, and you read it while looking out.
The statement in the commentary:-
"The bottom line is that in order to return and dwell in the Land of Israel all the statutes, ordinances, and commandments must be kept."
I cannot dispute it, because G-d tells us what He will do to those who are not prepared to turn away from their idolatrous ways.
Therefore, the Brit-Am message has to be received by those who, once they recognise their identity, realise they have to change their ways, are willing to do so, AND are given a new heart by G-d in order to enable them to change.
One thing Brit-Am is unable to do, is renew the hearts of people, the Almighty knows who He will change and when and those who He changes will rise to the challenge of the job they are given, at the time He has already decided upon.
Another part of the comment that is indisputable.
2. The complete fulfillment of the Prophecy of reconciliation will only happen in the time of the Messiah.
The advice Brit-Am gives to those who desire to come home to Israel should be to learn about the statutes etc.
There are DVD's and books on the subject, some good, some bad, perhaps as each feast and celebration approaches Brit-Am could let subscribers know what is coming up, when it is observed and how the timing has been calculated....
Compromise or a suggestion that we can do this later, after we enter the land is a dangerous suggestion and could bring judgement upon the heads of those who suggest it can be done.
May the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you and your loved ones. Amen.
Alistair
2. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Judah is the head and Joseph is the body?
Dear Yair Davidiy,
Maybe the following subject is one meant primarily for those in Judah to get together to discuss at the next group meeting, if there ever is to be another.
For a long time I have been trying to consider this idea of ten-Israel conquering the lands around Israel and occupying them. There are a lot of people who consider themselves ten-Israel but they are terribly disorganized. They have little groups of this and that and they can't associate with another who does not see things their way. So it is a body being resurrected and I don't know how long that will take. I have heard many of them say, 'we are waiting for Hashem to whistle for us.'
It wasn't long ago we read in 2 Chronicles how Joseph was a servant to Judah before the split. Judah is the head and Joseph is the body. I have a feeling that Joseph needs Judah in order to organize these people in order to do what you expect. Judah should be calling the orders if the two entities are ever to be one.
Judah would find very willing people to serve him in settling those lands. I would expect there are among them those who have lived in tough conditions like ourselves who would not be so challenged with the circumstances. And there are a lot of youth among them who would like the adventure. With a few older adults they could make a remarkable community of peoples.
My point is they need a head. We can all sit here in our places and wait for the Messiah. Or someone in Judah, some group in Judah could have the vision that there is this great potential, rough though it may be, and figure out a way to make them kosher enough to work with Judah and serve him.
If we wait for them one by one to become a Jew in order to serve Judah, or if we wait for them to organize themselves without a head, it will be a long time before anything happens. So why do we talk about this possibility. Do you or anyone have faith that a Joseph Messiah sent from Hashem will really show up and do the job that Judah could do? Is this what you are expecting, or are you just trying to get ten-Israel to somehow manage themselves into a body that could be an army that has armed themselves to do something that Judah has done? Sounds like reinventing the wheel again. These are some thoughts I have.
Shalom,
Charlotte
Brit-Am Comment:
Charlotte Shalom,
In our opinion the PRESENT PRIORITY should be getting the information out to others and confirming it.
Everything else should be secondary to this.
As for recognizing or accepting Joseph in some type of subsidiary or secondary status, forget it.
[Your reference to 2 Chronicles and Joseph being a servant to Judah before the split is not familiar to me. Please supply the relevant verses.]
Judaism already has the Bnei Noah Movement for Gentiles. [Not all Orthodox Jews are that easy with this either.]
Gentiles who believe they are descended from Israelites should concentrate on evidence. For most of them it is obvious that they will not be able to produce proof at the individual level.
We may however show that in the aggregate the Lost Ten Tribes are now amongst Western Peoples.
This is what we have been doing and henceforth (God willing) will try to do even better.
More secular as well as Biblical evidence must be made available.
WE intend to write more about this.
3. Reactions to YouTube Clips
(a) heppareppana has made a comment on Coming Back to Israel
great stuff and very good presentation mr Davidiy!
(b) Comment on your video: End Times. An Overview of Isaiah
Thanks for your hard work. I appreciate it. [The ALMIGHTY] bless you. From Brunswick Georgia USA
4. Another Question about the Welsh.
Hello Rabbi Davidey
I note that there are a lot of similarities between Jewish and ( proper original indigenous) Welsh people and there does seem to be an ancient link but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.
Are pre roman welsh people from one of the lost tribes ?
Regards
Griff Parry
Brit-Am Reply:
Shalom,
First of all I am not a Rabbi though perhaps I should have tried to become one. At the least I would now know a little more than I now know.
Secondly the name is Davidiy not Davidey.
Thirdly your message came to us within about an hour or of a similar one along the same lines.
See:
Brit-Am Now no. 1961
#3. Question on the Welsh.Â
This often happens.
People send us messages or queries and at the very same time or shortly after someone else writes us on the same matter. Often the two questioners are from the same family, or similar occupation, or live near each other without necessarily being aware of it, etc. After that we might not hear from either of them or of the subject under consideration for a long time.
Anyway, in answer to your question:
The Ancient Welsh and related peoples (in Scotland, Ireland, Brittany of France, etc) spoke a language related to Hebrew or that had a Hebrew-type substratum.
They practised a religion that seems to have had Canaanite and Hebraic origins.
They had customs and legends indicating a Middle Eastern origin.
The Megalithic Monuments found in Wales and throughout the British Isles etc relate them back to the Land of Israel.
There are quote a few other points.
We are beginning a series of articles on this matter. The first article has been posted.
See:
Ancient Britain 1
LINKS BETWEEN THE BRITISH CELTS AND THE EAST. BRITAIN AND THE CIMMERIANS
Secular Sources
If you know of anything else please let us know.
5. Reflections on the Need for Proof.
We all seem to spend a lot of time discussing whether or not people believing they descend from the Ten Tribes should be allowed to settle in Israel at present or not.
We have an article and YouTube Clip on the subject that have proven themselves more popular than any of our other recent productions.
See:
Seven Reasons. Why Descendants of the Ten Tribes are not Accepted into Israel at Present.
We all know how the public relates to individuals who go around saying they are the rightful kings of England, Emperors of France, or embodiments of the Messiah.
Saying one is descended from the Ten Tribes , in the eyes of others, may be related to the same category.
Proving the case and getting the information to others should be the main aim at present.
It is true that there is strong Biblical Proof and Secular Evidence BUT most people do not know about it.
In order to appreciate our Scriptural truths one needs to have some belief in the Bible along with an open mind and the ability to read texts that rely on Biblical verses.
Not everyone is up to this.
There is also Secular Evidence.
A new series of entries on our web-site will be dedicated to this.
See below.
Secular Sources
Proofs from History, Archaeology, Linguistics, Mythology, etc, Linking Western Nations with the Ancient Middle East
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The Bible Proves that the Ten Tribes are now to be found amongst Western Peoples. This is confirmed by Rabbinical Sources and Secular Evidence. Not everyone suffices with arguments from Scripture and related texts. Not only that but proofs from Secular sources often supplement and complement the Biblical ones. In our writings, publications, articles, e-mail discussions, and lectures a great many points from non-Biblical references (AS WELL AS BIBLICAL ONES!) helping to prove the case have been noted. These points and relevant facts are to be found spread throughout our works. Our sister site to this one,www.britam.org, encompasses literally thousands of articles, notes, and e-mails. It can be difficult to find information when required. We ourselves sometimes forget important details that we wrote about in the past.
We have therefore decided to prepare the present series of notes and articles under the heading Secular Sources wherein we shall attempt to concentrate the relevant information and links along with new information as it becomes available.
We shall be looking for any and all evidence associating Europe and especially Western Europe with the Ancient Middle East in general. This obviously will not always pertain to Israelite oriigns but it will be in the general direction whence the matter may be further clarified.
7. New Entries. Ancient Britain 1
LINKS BETWEEN THE BRITISH CELTS AND THE EAST. BRITAIN AND THE CIMMERIANS.
8. Books Still Available.
The Tribes
Origin
Joseph
Biblical Truth
The Khazars. Tribe 13
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