Ten Tribes Studies (23 November, 2012. 9 Kislev, 5773)
Contents:
1. New Article.
Some Hebrew Nations Clarifications.
Removing Recurring Misunderstandings about the Implications of Hebrew Nations Belief.
2. Charlotte Mecklenburg: The Objective Proof Approach Versus Individual Revelation.
3. Griff: Welsh People
1. New Article.
Some Hebrew Nations Clarifications
Removing Recurring Misunderstandings about the Implications of Hebrew Nations Belief
Extracts:
The Lost Ten Tribes are now to be found mainly amongst Western Peoples.
What exact percentage amongst the relevant populations is of Israelite descent is not certain.
There is no need for individuals to come to Israel at this stage.
No need to keep the Law at this time as far as we understand. This may change.
We are Jewish but not against Christianity.
Concerning the Ten Tribes: We see Christianity as a tool of Divine Providence to acquaint Descendants of Israel with Biblical Concepts and to introduce them to belief in
the God of Israel. This was prophesied. It is the will of the Almighty. We are not about to try to change anything on this matter.
Jews should remain Jewish and strengthen their faith in Judaism and understanding of it.
2. Charlotte Mecklenburg: The Objective Proof Approach Versus Individual Revelation
Dear Yair,
Thank you for your prompt answer. 2 Chr. 10:6 says they would be Rehaboam's servants forever if he was not so harsh with Joseph implying they were his servants. We know that Jeroboam served Solomon as head of his work force in the north. The temple was not built without them.
Obviously from your answer given, we will have to wait for some Messiah. He is the only one that will be able to discern who is and who is not of what tribe. He may use the something of a Urim and Thumin or have direct revelation from Hashem. DNA is the only means of proof of bloodlines and otherwise with so much assimulation all records are gone except in a few minor cases. It is nice to know where the bulk of ten-Israel are but that will not prove individuals. Anything that is said how God has led or spoken to individuals will not be considered proof, so I wish you the best in your research but I have no faith in your success knowing what you are expecting.
We pray for Israel, they and you carry a heavy load to hold back the forces of evil at the present time.
God Bless,
Charlotte
Brit-Am Reply:
Shalom,
I understood the message of the elders as relating to practical tactics rather than anything beyond that.
2 Chronicles 10
10 And Rehoboam went to Shechem, for all Israel had gone to Shechem to make him king. 2 So it happened, when Jeroboam the son of Nebat heard it (he was in Egypt, where he had fled from the presence of King Solomon), that Jeroboam returned from Egypt. 3 Then they sent for him and called him. And Jeroboam and all Israel came and spoke to Rehoboam, saying, 4 Your father made our yoke heavy; now therefore, lighten the burdensome service of your father and his heavy yoke which he put on us, and we will serve you.
5 So he said to them, Come back to me after three days. And the people departed.
6 Then King Rehoboam consulted the elders who stood before his father Solomon while he still lived, saying, How do you advise me to answer these people?
7 And they spoke to him, saying, If you are kind to these people, and please them, and speak good words to them, they will be your servants forever.
I am suspicious of DNA beyond a certain point but do not discount it altogether since at least in the short run it has usually (or nearly always?) proven itself.
You point out that we are concerned with finding the bulk of the Ten Tribes but do not provide confirmatory sanction for individuals. This is correct. We anticipate however something beyond that. A situation could in which our findings (or findings like our own) become more widely accepted both amongst Judah and the Ten Tribes. This is what we are working at. It would then follow that individuals and even governmental bodies would adopt policies in line with these findings. More research would be done and the certainty of this belief in the public consciousness become stronger and stronger. Once society as a whole accepts a certain outlook it becomes the legacy of everyone within that society regardless of whether or not they were there from the beginning. This is what a nation is.
See:
Some Hebrew Nations Clarifications
Removing Recurring Misunderstandings about the Implications of Hebrew Nations Belief
The Lost Ten Tribes are now to be found mainly amongst Western Peoples.
What exact percentage amongst the relevant populations is of Israelite descent is not certain.
Individuals cannot know for sure BUT should consider themselves part of the whole and assume Israelite Descent.Â
You apparently rely more on individual revelation which may suffice for the person concerned but needs external confirmation in the eyes of others.
I imagine all those who believe along our lines have experienced an inner pull in this direction and have felt the hand of Divine Providence in getting where we are.
Nevertheless if we want to arouse or bestir others in this direction we need to give them something concrete.
The Revelation of Moses was before the whole nation of Israel.
Biblical Proofs are very strong and for many should suffice but Secular Evidence is also needed.
We have done, and are still doing, things of importance and great potential. So are others. It would not take much for the whole matter to burst open into the Public Consciousness.
3. Griff: Welsh People
 Re: Welsh People
re Brit-Am Now no. 1962: Ten Tribes Studies.
#4. Another Question about the Welsh.
Mr Davidiy
Awesome stuff - sounds fascinating - do I need a one way ticket to Tel Aviv then? Can I wait to see if the ceasefire holds please?
I had read a bit about the northern Israelis and the Assyrians and somehow the Phoenicians and their voyages to Britain to trade for the copper but Tacitus wrote it down that we were cannibal savages which just can't be true - proper welsh people are very proper "pobl cywir" we say which translates to "correct people" but means Righteous People - you use that expression I believe.
It's so fascinating it would be interesting for you to see the Eisteddfod bards and archdruids costumes and robes - that would raise your eyebrows I am sure - also in the eisteddfod the winning bard is crowned in the eisteddfod chair and I raised an eyebrow myself when I heard that many synagogues have a Messiah's chair!
I haven't eaten pork for decades now because I don't like it but should we be going completely kosher now?
Regards
Griff