Ten Tribes Studies (6 June, 2014, 8 Sivan, 5774)
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Contents:
1. Question on the Khazars and the Goths of Sweden.
2. Proof that Israelites were amongst the Celts. Archaeology and Physical Appearance
3. Dafydd ap Ffranc. Cromwell was a Celtic King!
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1. Question on the Khazars and the Goths of Sweden.
Torre wrote:
80 % of all today Jews descend from the 13th tribe.
All Jews in Russia, Poland Ukraine and Lituania before the war descended from those in Khazaria who converted to Judaism in beginning 800s.
The coin with Moses is the prophet of God was found in the large Spilling treasure in Gotland [Sweden] in 1999
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Reply by Yair Davidiy:
This coin indicates Khazar influence.
Avraham Polok, "Khuzaria", (Hebrew) Tel Aviv, 5711 (1950?) published an important study on the Khazars that researchers still refer to.
He quotes from different sources claiming that Yiddish derives from Gothish and himself suggests that the Khazars were a kind of Gothic offshoot.
Polok is a valuable source of information. His work should be translated into English.
We however disagree with Polok on many points.
I too, wrote a work about the Khazars.
"The Khazars. Tribe 13" by Yair Davidiy
http://www.britam.org/Khazarbook.html
 The Khazars had traditions that they descended from the Tribes of Manasseh and Simeon and from other Israelites. The "KHAZARS" were part of the Sacae/Scythian grouping of peoples. Ancestors of the "KHAZARS" in both the east and west had practiced cults derived from the Biblical story of Joseph and his reconciliation with his brothers. An offshoot from the Khazars merged with the Picts of Scotland. They were related to the Scandinavians, and to the Anglo-Saxons. The "KHAZARS" supplied the coinage and part of the manpower of early Scandinavia. The ancestral heroes of Scandinavia, the "Aseir", and of the Anglo-Saxons were either of Khazar origin or at the least belonged to the same family group.
Despite the above, most Ashkenazic Jews do not descend from the Khazars.
The ancestors of most Ashkenazic Jews came from the Land of Israel or from Babylon.
They were mainly descended from former inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah.
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2. Proof that Israelites were amongst the Celts. Archaeology and Physical Appearance
F. said:
Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so.Â
Where is the archeological evidence that any lost tribes of Israel became Celts?Â
Where is any historic record?Â
Why don't people of western and central European descent even look ethnically Middle Eastern?
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Reply:
You are responding to our claim that the ethnic name Eber found throughout Celtic territory meant Hebrew.
cf.
Hebrews or Yew Trees?? What Did the Celts Call Themselves?
http://www.britam.org/HebrewCelt.html
Instead of relating to this you have taken task with our overall belief system.
Other wise in general,
You have a point.
There is a certain desire on our part to physically identify at least certain of the West European Peoples with the Ancient Israelites.
An understanding of Biblical and other sources lends credence to this.
These influences need to be supported by evidence from secular sources.
Our problem today however is not so much the historical, or archaeological, evidence but rather DNA.
There are explanations that reconcile DNA findings with ancestry from ancient Israel. This is not sufficient.
The proposed solutions, even if correct, are too distant for comfort from conventional understandings.
We may however take an analogy from DNA.
A DNA study presents its findings.
 If the results do not conform with history as we know it then it is assumed that something is lacking in our history.
Evidently, it is implied, demographic changes took place under the Radar.
So too,
if what we say concerning the name Eber is correct then historical explanations need to be found to account for it.
Otherwise,
ARCHAEOLOGY:
Archaeology shows that settlers from the central Syrian coast (including what was then Israel) settled in southeast Spain after ca. 700 BCE.
See:
BRIGETTE TREUMAN-WATKINS, 'Phoenicians In Spain', BA (Biblical Archaeologist), vol.55, no.1, March 1992.
RICHARD J. HARRISON, 'Spain At The Dawn of History', London, U.K., 1988, p.46
Ilan Sharon p.35 in "Phoenician and Greek Construction techniques at Tell Dor, Israel", BASOR no.267, August 1987. Â
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Roman records, plus Irish legends, plus some archaeological evidence shows that these later moved to the northwest and the British Isles.
The Israelite input to Celtic civilization however mainly came overland.
Later Halstatt and LaTene gave rise to Celtic civilization. An important formative element in Later Halstatt derived from Armenia (Urartu), Assyria, and other Middle Eastern regions.
So too and perhaps even more so concerning LaTene.
In addition other such avenues and possibilities existed at other times along the same lines.
So too, there are numerous particular phenomena in the British Isles and elsewhere consistent with east Mediterranean origins.
APPEARANCE,
We need to set aside our preconceived stereotypes on this matter.
Appearance is determined by environment and heredity.
There is a North European physical type. Most Europeans do not belong to it. It is also found in the Middle East.
There is a Middle East type. Most inhabitants of the Middle East do not benefit from it though in some areas many do.
The Ancient Middle Easterners probably looked something like Lebanese and/or Ashkenazi Jews.
They were of Mediterranean coloring with pockets of blonds and redheads that in some places may have been dominant. If these had have moved to Europe then genetic drift and environment could account for whatever differences exist today.
See:
Pictures of Ancient Hebrews
http://www.britam.org/HebrewTypes.html
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3. Dafydd ap Ffranc. Cromwell was a Celtic King!
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New comment on your video
The Celts Called Themselves Hebrews!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USAZi_ocp2w&google_comment_id=z13vjlpakkjlhlioc04cfxsbjmqsubrhsr00k&google_view_type#gpluscomments
Dafydd ap Ffranc
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As much as it pains us to admit, Cromwell was a 'Celt', as like the Tudors they were of Welsh descent. They are descended from William ap Ifan of the tribe of Silurian. He was nobleman from Morgannwg (the area around Cardiff, capital city of Wales) who supported Welsh exile Harri ap Edmwnd Tudur's claim to the throne of Britain. The Welsh originally ruled Britain and Welsh prophesy stated the Welsh would drive the Saxon's to the sea and reclaim the throne of Britain. Harri's family had served King Owain III of Wales half a century earlier. Wales lost her independence fully around 1419. Harri, being descended from the kings of Wales, Brittany, England and France didn't just want to reclaim the vacant Welsh throne but take the throne of England too, reuniting the Celtic land of Prydain Fawr (Britannia, modern day England and Wales). William ap Ifan helped him gain the throne of England by raising a Welsh army to fight at Bosworth Field. Harri ap Edmwnd Tudur was crowned King Henry VII of England and Wales. He rewarded William ap Ifan by making him a peer of the realm. William's son Morgan ap William was the founder of the Welsh Cromwell dynasty. The Cromwell's were a powerful dynasty responsibly for the creation of the Kingdom of England and Wales and later Great Britain (Thus fulfilling the prophesy of the Welsh reclaiming the 'Throne of Britain'. William orchestrated the 'Welsh' takeover of England putting Henry VII on the throne. Thomas Cromwell was responsible for the Act of Union in 1536 between England and Wales, making it a single state under King Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell was responsible for bringing Scotland into the state in 1654 during the Interregnum as Oliver Cromwell created the new state of the 'Commonwealth' with himself as 'Lord Protector'
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