Irish Issue Tribal Report (17 February, 2013. 7 Adar, 5773)
Contents:
1. Irish people: Justice and Judgement -Dan?
2. Irish people: Warriors and Soldiers
3. Paul Conroy: Spanish Jews in Ireland
4. Paul Conroy: Unknown Native Irish in the Southern USA
5. Many US Presidents of Partly Irish Origin
6. Ireland-Eire: The Best Singers (Naphtali?)
7. Some Irish Character Traits
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1. Irish people: Justice and Judgement -Dan?
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Indeed, the Tudor lawyer John Davies described the Irish people with respect to their laws:
There is no people under the sun that doth love equal and indifferent (impartial) justice better than the Irish, or will rest better satisfied with the execution thereof, although it be against themselves, as they may have the protection and benefit of the law upon which just cause they do desire it.[48]
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2. Irish people: Warriors and Soldiers
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the words of Arthur Wellesley, the Irish-born "Iron Duke" of Wellington, a notable representative of the Irish military diaspora, "Ireland was an inexhaustible nursery for the finest soldiers".[68
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3. Paul Conroy: Spanish Jews in Ireland
From: Paul Conroy
Subject: Re: [DNA] Spanish Armada
There are 3 known families of Spanish Armada descent in Ireland, all in
Donegal, and they are Martin, Harkins and I don't remember the third now.
But in relation to "Spanish" heritage in Ireland - there is actually
another source of "Spanish" heritage, not related to the Spanish Armada -
it is the Sephardic Jews who left Portugal for Ireland in the mid to late
1500's?!
If you're ever been to Galway City, you'll note that right on the pier
there is a monument called the "Spanish Arch" where "Spanish merchants"
traded with Irish. Many of these were actually Sephardic Jews from Portugal
who sought refuge in Ireland, and traded with their countrymen who had
already settled there. A Sephardic Jew by the name of Gil Annyas became
major of Youghal in the mid 1550's, and his descendants today go by the
name "Ames". Sephardic Jews are known to have settled in many of the port
cities on the West and South coasts of Ireland. Others settled in County
Kerry and County Tipperary. The Rodrigues family were a notable Sephardic
Jewish family in Tipperary who today go by the name "Rogers"...
It's notable that the English port of Bristol in the mid 1500's started
importing 2/3 of its Spanish wine from *Ireland* - how could this be. The
answer is that the Jewish wine merchants just shifted their headquarters to
Ireland, and their shipping business still operated as before.
So take your pick, Spanish Armada ancestry is all in or around Gweedore, Co
Donegal, whereas Sephardic Jewish ancestry from Portugal is in the port
cities - most of these Jews have long since assimilated into an
"Anglo-Irish" cultural identity by now.
Cheers,
Paul
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4. Paul Conroy: Unknown Native Irish in the Southern USA
From: Paul Conroy
Subject: Re: [DNA] Scot-Irish
1. Until the arrival of "Famine Irish" in the mid-1800's, all previous
immigrants from Ireland just called themselves "Irish" - as that is what
they considered themselves to be.
2. There were a great many "Native Irish" in the US South before the
Revolution
Also Ulster =/= Northern Ireland, as Ulster = 9 counties in the North of
Ireland, while Northern Ireland = only 6 of those counties. Donegal, which
is in the Irish Republic today, supplied a vast amount of early immigrants
to the US South, the majority of which were Native Irish. On 23andMe,
Donegal residents of today, typically have about 1,500 relatives each in
the US, mostly so called "Colonials"...
I myself, born and raised in the South East of Ireland, with no known US
emigrants to the US South, yet have over 1,000 US South relatives - as
identified by 23andMe?! Among these was one relative who said her last
European immigrant came to the US in 1620!
It may come as a surprise to many in the US South, and especially those
whose identity is wrapped up in being Scotch-Irish or Scots-Irish, that
they are actually substantially of Native Irish descent, but have
assimilated into the NEW Scots-Irish identity ONLY over the last 100 years
or so, in an effort to distinguish themselves from their "Famine Irish"
countrymen, who were the butt of jokes and much discrimination at the time.
Did you know that William "The Irish Hammer" Edmondson - the founder of
Quakerism in Ireland and later the US and the Caribbean - lived in
Rosenallis, Co Laois, where he entertained and converted William Penn to
Quakerism. My direct male ancestors, lived in the same village of
Rosenallis, and today I have tons of Quaker relative in the US, mostly in
Pennsylvania and Indiana - even though the Quaker community in Ireland is
largely disbanded or converted centuries ago. Did you know that some of the
earliest Baptist converts were among the Irish Palatines in Limerick, and
they left Limerick en masse to found the first Baptist communities in the
US South.
http://www.quakers-in-ireland.ie/history/notable-quakers/
Cheers,
Paul
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5. Many US Presidents of Partly Irish Origin
Nine of the signatories of the American Declaration of Independence were of Irish origin.[71] Among them was the sole Catholic signatory, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, whose family were the descendants of Ely O'Carroll, an Irish prince who had suffered under Cromwell.[72] At least twenty-five presidents of the United States have some Irish ancestral origins, including George Washington.[73][74][75][76] Since John F. Kennedy took office in 1961, every American President has had some Irish blood.[77] An Irish-American, James Hoban, was the designer of the White House. Commodore John Barry was the father of the United States Navy.[78]
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6. Ireland-Eire: The Best Singers (Naphtali?)
Republic of Ireland
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ireland has participated in the Eurovision Song Contest since 1965.[108] Its first win was in 1970, when Dana won with All Kinds of Everything.[109] It has subsequently won the competition six more times,[110][111] the highest number of wins by any competing country.
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7. Some Irish Character Traits:
Many Irish are talkative, inquisitive about people and places, helpful, open, good company, interested in sport, etc etc. they tend to hate saying "no" to your face, so they are notoriously indirect when it comes to criticism, rejection etc. time keeping is often seen as a very honourable aspiration but nobody really expects an eight o'clock meeting to start at eight! definitely philosophical about life the universe and all of that. and, like anywhere else, some of us are just plain boring!!Â